Understanding the Torah

[traveller]

Oooh - Cowboy fans have privileges.

I think it must be the millennial kingdom. They aren't occupying close to what is promised. I don't see the Saudi's giving up any land. Doesn't it also include Jordan and Syria? Iraq?

[nebula]

Not able to look it up right now, but there is a prophecy about Egypt and some other nation eventually belonging to the Lord (as in, they'll be coming around!).

[Crusader4Christ]

Yod, great thread. I do enjoy the Torah ( especially Genesis,

with the covenant of Abraham and the Lord, the patriarchal age, etc.

Yes, the sundry laws in Exodus and Leviticus are quite strict. It also says in either Leviticus or Exodus, that if a child curses or does evil to his/her parents,

he/she shall be stoned! Man, imagine the kids today doing what they do back

in those days. There wouldn't be many left I can tell you that much.

Also, how about the circumsion of the Jewish people as a sacrifice to the Lord?

Genesis 17:10-14

"This is My covenant, which ye shall keep, between Me and you and

thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised."

"And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the betwixt Me and you."

"And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Yod,

There is no penalty for not tithing either....but like the law of gravity it is real.

Those who tithe as unto the Lord are blessed in ways beyond the world's understanding.

What is this about a "balding head"? I've had one for about 30 years - I think it is because I think toooo much.

I like the way you think on tithing. I have used the analogy of "gravity" many times when explaining the "spiritual AND physical blessings" that come with "freely giving as we were freely given". It definately is a "law" that the world does not understand. Even MOST Christians can't understand that when you give - you have MORE! God has shown myself and my wife this over the years. I do NOT give as unto a church or a particular organization, but I give as unto God. For the last 9 years my giving - probably about 12-15% have gone to one particular church, and I give a small amount to our local Union Gospel Mission. Also frequently when we have received like a tax refund back, or something else where we have been given an unaccounted for amount of money, we give a portion to UGM or some other worthy place as the Lord leads. Also we have usually given to evangelists, building monies, and special church activities.

I tell you this not to brag and I pray I am not offending anyone by this, but we give as we are led by the Lord. We recognize that all we have, God could take away in a heartbeat, and we have come to really enjoy giving unto the "kingdom of God" on this earth. We have never made a lot of money, but the monies that remain for US, is more than abundant to take care of all our needs and being a blessing to our 6 kids and 13 grandkids.

I have a good story I may tell here sometime regarding tithing. But this thread would not be appropriate.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

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[Mrs Mac]

Hope you don't mind my two cents.

The New Testament would not make sense without the Old to point to it.

We wouldn't know who Christ was without Isaiah 53. I could list 44 prophecies of the Messiah (I'm sure there would be more) that are in the OT.

Jesus is the Word made flesh. The Word is who the Prophets said He would be and the prophecies came to pass in Him, that is why He is the Word. In the beginning God spoke the universe into existence, He was the Word, then.

We have to know Genesis or we would be wondering where we came from. We wouldn't be able to distinguish Israel from the church without the Old Testament, and I could go on.

To be without the Old Testament is too unthinkable. The Bible is a whole.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

On the other hand, people can come to Christ without it. All they need is John 3:16.

[Guest yod]

I dunno....sure seemed like more than 2 cents

Amen to that sister Mac

[OneAccord]

In that same sense, how can we truly understand the 'new' law, the two commandments of the New Testament, without the Torah of the Old Testament?

[traveller]

The New Testament is Christ revealed from the prophecies of the OT. Hand in hand.

The OT is types and shadows of the coming Messiah, again and again. Hand in hand.

The OT is the building block of the NT, the proof in the pudding. Hand in hand.

The OT is explained in the NT, and the NT is throughout the OT. Hand in hand.

Both are awesome. :il:

[Guest yod]

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