Jesus

[yomotalking]

In a topic about God's excistance, someone put that Jesus could be proved that he was a real man.

Of course, us Christians believe He is real, but to the sacastic eye, is there anything that could PROVE (meaning facts, and historical things, as they always want)?

[Guest LadyC]

there's a thread here somewhere that was talking about the number of Biblical prophecies that were fulfilled through Jesus. the number of those fulfilled prophecies were staggering, and the odds of any one person fulfilling all of them are astronomical. this is also covered in a book called "more than a carpenter" but i forget who the author is. i want to say josh mcdowel, but i don't think that's write.

[peaches]

it is by Josh McDowell ....

[DaniJ87]

The original question has not yet been answered here... and I am interested to know the answer, too. Is there historical evidence outside of the Bible that proves His human existence? I too believe as a Christian.. .but is there any evidence that doesn't require faith, that Jesus was a real human being, that we could show to unbelievers?

[apothanein kerdos]

The original question has not yet been answered here... and I am interested to know the answer, too. Is there historical evidence outside of the Bible that proves His human existence? I too believe as a Christian.. .but is there any evidence that doesn't require faith, that Jesus was a real human being, that we could show to unbelievers?

That doesn't require faith? Mate, faith means trust...not blind belief. The entire idea that faith equates belief in what cannot be proven comes from an 18th century philosophy that is decidedly wrong. So evidence or not, if you are trusting in it, you have faith in it. I have faith in the chair I'm sitting in, but it is decidedly a provable object.

As for the evidence:

From Thallus (quoted from Thallus):

As to His works severally, and His cures effected upon body and soul, and the mysteries of His doctrine, and the resurrection from the dead, these have been most authoritatively set forth by His disciples and apostles before us. On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun". (Julius Africanus, c. 221 A.D., "The Chronology of Julius Africanus", 18.1)

From Phlegon (again, quoted and not actual work):

"Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth

[yomotalking]

Wow!

Is there any more?

[apothanein kerdos]

There is, but those two are the most convincing.

[irishcowboy]

there was a secular program on the Tele a few years ago, talking about the Dead Sea scrolls....

in the scrolls, there was talk about this man, a fanatic, that was going against all Jewish tradition and ways, going around changing peoples thinking and ways of doing things.... the scrolls were really tearing down this man.... the mans name they were speaking of was and is.... JESUS......

they figured some of the scrolls were written by the religious leaders of the times, for there was other things written in them that allign with the Scriptures as far as what was going on during that time. about how they needed to put Him down and such....

it was a very interesting program to say the least..... kind of like the reverse side of the same coin.... or viewing Pikes Peak from the west and discribing it as I am viewing it from the east and discribing it.... the same mountain, just opposite sides.....

Scripture being obverse and the dead sea scrolls being the reverse......

Christ was, a "REAL" man, and probably more of a man then many of us put together.....

My Grandfather, proved that Christ was both devine and mortal..... at the same time..... that evidence was lost when he went home.... Christ took him home in 1979..... which was witnessed by three people.....

mike