Still spinning

[Guest CharlieC]

It is very simple to understand and out in the open to me.

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My apologies to you Charlie, I meant no insult or accusation in my post.

I am truly sorry!!!

I KNOW that these writings, and all Scriptural writing "means what it says", and have no need to "enlighten you". If you can't find your own illumination, no one will be able to find it for you, here or anywhere.

Good luck and have fun with your game

God Bless

in His service

TC

TC I am perplexed.

What does luck have to do with it? And you end I'm sorry with the claim that searching for truth is a game?

Charlie

Charlie, I think you know what he means. It is a weekend game. At this point it doesn't even take the Biblical gift of discernment to realize this is a debate game. You have no desire to be convinced, but merely be intrigued with debating. If I am wrong, I apologize to everyone reading this. But, this is a lesson in tennis not genuine theology. Your serve Charlie

Let me get this straight. I waited until this week to read the bible just to come here and play a weekend game with you? That doesn't make any sense to me.

But you can believe what you will.

Charlie

Charlie

[Guest CharlieC]

I recently read the bible in 6 hours

How many pages a minute can you read? Wow!

with 95% or better comprehension.

OK, we need to have an understanding of "comprehension" here. I mean, to fully comprehend the Bible, you need to know and understand the culture and world views of the peoples involved. A knowledge of arheology and geography of the times helps, too. And then there are the Hebrew idioms. And do you understand the governance over Israel in the days of the New Testament? Etc., etc., etc.

If the truth about Jesus isn

[nebula]

Concerning the things that you mentioned above. Do you have any names of books that would be good reference material that I can read? Like the languages of the bible. Any names of books that might deal with archeology and geography. The only things that I have are an American standard and a New King James version of the bible. I am afraid I am presently retarded in those subjects other than what I have read in these bibles. I am only interested in reference material that might help me understand what is in the bible. I don

Edited February 27, 2006 by nebula

[InternalFlame]

Nebula suggested that Jesus was unable to do miracles in some regions because of unbelief which doesn

[nebula]

You missed my point. Their unbelief was so severe that it could have only ended up as did the captain and fifty. That wasn

[Ovedya]

The discussion regarding theosis has been split into a new thread, which I placed in Doctrinal Questions: http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?s=&s...ndpost&p=522231

[mike2]

It is very simple to understand and out in the open to me.

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

My apologies to you Charlie, I meant no insult or accusation in my post.

I am truly sorry!!!

I KNOW that these writings, and all Scriptural writing "means what it says", and have no need to "enlighten you". If you can't find your own illumination, no one will be able to find it for you, here or anywhere.

Good luck and have fun with your game

God Bless

in His service

TC

TC I am perplexed.

What does luck have to do with it? And you end I'm sorry with the claim that searching for truth is a game?

Charlie

Charlie, I think you know what he means. It is a weekend game. At this point it doesn't even take the Biblical gift of discernment to realize this is a debate game. You have no desire to be convinced, but merely be intrigued with debating. If I am wrong, I apologize to everyone reading this. But, this is a lesson in tennis not genuine theology. Your serve Charlie

Let me get this straight. I waited until this week to read the bible just to come here and play a weekend game with you? That doesn't make any sense to me.

But you can believe what you will.

Charlie

Charlie

Well Charlie, do you see what I mean?

TC hit the nail smack on the head when writing;

If you can't find your own illumination, no one will be able to find it for you

I'll add that 'no one', includes people that write books,

You are not going to find your illumination from books.

The closest you are going to get to understanding Jesus, from anything written is in the bible.

Anything else written will be based on someones point of view of the bible and their understanding, and as you have seen, that can be exasperating

For now, all your understanding is going to come from your communication with God.

You see, knowing God is knowing Jesus Christ, only then will you understand .1 Cor 2:10-12

Until you are communicating with God ... How are you going to know when He is answering your questions through the people and things in your life?,

because He is trying to do it right now!

But,... you're just trying to do it by yourself and not with Him

Why are you looking for that understanding fom men, whether from forums or books.

If you want to learn about God and Jesus go straight to them, no one is going to know that you talk to them (pray), if you're embarassed about it, do it when you're by yourself, I did.

If you are not talking to God (have a relationship with Him), you can question and debate right with all the greatest intellects in the world and not understand God. (1 Cor. 18..)

Sorry Charlie, but I have to tell you for your own good, for now, you're in way over your head

Get rid of your pride in intellect, admit you don't know (not to me, to God) and that you want to know

Get the milk first, the easily digested food, then come back to the scholars on this page for the stuff thats harder to digest (1 Cor 3:1-4)

Get the milk, talk to God

You have to die from the old life to go to the new one, what is it you have to die from, what is controling your life,what is keeping you from talking to God

mike2

PS to everyone

You might want to check out Shoemakers "Apologia of my life" (He was instrumental in AA's 12 Steps)

we all fit in somewhere

[Guest CharlieC]

Jesus could not heal these people because in order for healing to begin, we must accept it. A doctor cannot bind a wound unless the patient allows him to do so - even though the doctor is fully qualified and could save the person's life, that person has to cooperate in order to receive healing.

God does not want to force himself on people, He wants people to choose to accept Him. That power of choice is important because what good is a servant who is forced to serve you? Wouldn't you rather have a servant who serves you because he loves you, not because he has to?

The centurion

[Guest CharlieC]

It is very simple to understand and out in the open to me.

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

My apologies to you Charlie, I meant no insult or accusation in my post.

I am truly sorry!!!

I KNOW that these writings, and all Scriptural writing "means what it says", and have no need to "enlighten you". If you can't find your own illumination, no one will be able to find it for you, here or anywhere.

Good luck and have fun with your game

God Bless

in His service

TC

TC I am perplexed.

What does luck have to do with it? And you end I'm sorry with the claim that searching for truth is a game?

Charlie

Charlie, I think you know what he means. It is a weekend game. At this point it doesn't even take the Biblical gift of discernment to realize this is a debate game. You have no desire to be convinced, but merely be intrigued with debating. If I am wrong, I apologize to everyone reading this. But, this is a lesson in tennis not genuine theology. Your serve Charlie

Let me get this straight. I waited until this week to read the bible just to come here and play a weekend game with you? That doesn't make any sense to me.

But you can believe what you will.

Charlie

Charlie

Well Charlie, do you see what I mean?

TC hit the nail smack on the head when writing;

If you can't find your own illumination, no one will be able to find it for you

I'll add that 'no one', includes people that write books,

You are not going to find your illumination from books.

The closest you are going to get to understanding Jesus, from anything written is in the bible.

Anything else written will be based on someones point of view of the bible and their understanding, and as you have seen, that can be exasperating

For now, all your understanding is going to come from your communication with God.

You see, knowing God is knowing Jesus Christ, only then will you understand .1 Cor 2:10-12

Until you are communicating with God ... How are you going to know when He is answering your questions through the people and things in your life?,

because He is trying to do it right now!

But,... you're just trying to do it by yourself and not with Him

Why are you looking for that understanding fom men, whether from forums or books.

If you want to learn about God and Jesus go straight to them, no one is going to know that you talk to them (pray), if you're embarassed about it, do it when you're by yourself, I did.

If you are not talking to God (have a relationship with Him), you can question and debate right with all the greatest intellects in the world and not understand God. (1 Cor. 18..)

Sorry Charlie, but I have to tell you for your own good, for now, you're in way over your head

Get rid of your pride in intellect, admit you don't know (not to me, to God) and that you want to know

Get the milk first, the easily digested food, then come back to the scholars on this page for the stuff thats harder to digest (1 Cor 3:1-4)

Get the milk, talk to God

You have to die from the old life to go to the new one, what is it you have to die from, what is controling your life,what is keeping you from talking to God

mike2

PS to everyone

You might want to check out Shoemakers "Apologia of my life" (He was instrumental in AA's 12 Steps)

we all fit in somewhere

It never even crossed my mind that I might be any thing more than retarded in God's sight. I am not the one who wrote the IQ tests and instituted there use. But Guess what? God created me too, for something. I can

[followerofjesus]

A scoffer seeks wisdom and finds none,But knowledge is easy to one who has understanding.

and I saw every work of God, I concluded that (A)man cannot discover the work which has been done under the sun Even though man should seek laboriously, he will not discover; and though the wise man should say, "I know," he cannot discover.

Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you

Better is open rebukeThan love that is concealed.

By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."