Alien Beings

[Ovedya]

I think that it's a little illogical to say that there are not planets revolving around other suns in the galaxy. And considering the fact that the universes contains several million galaxies, it's pretty likely that there are other planets. The crucial factors for life - intelligent life - however are extremely narrow. These involve, among other things, the right type of sun, the correct distance from that sun, the proper atmospheric composition (hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen), the right size planet, the right size moon (if any), and even the right positioning of the solar system within its galaxy. I've heard that some creation scientists have placed the figure at something like 1 in 100 trillion against.

[Openly Curious]

I know this goes against conventional wisdom and the teachings of science, but I am not so sure there are all of these numberous galaxies with suns and planets revolving around them. Scientists had to come up with an explaination of what the stars are and came to the conclusion the sun is a star. Since they teach that the sun is a star, all other stars must also have planets revoving around them. Is it possible they are right? Of course it is possible, but they could also be wrong. Until they actually send a space ship outside of our solar system and show proof that their theory is true, I will continue to have my doubts.

If it turned out that the stars are a separate creation entirely than the sun, and they are not suns that are a great distance away, it changes the entire way you look at the alien controversy. It is obvious there is no planet in our solar system capable of sustaining human like life forms. The only reason we believe in aliens is because we have bought into this Star Trek mentality that there are millions of suns with millions of planets and since they believe everything came into being by chance, the idea of aliens makes sense. If you don't buy into these teachings as facts, little grey men from outer space seem absurd.

I do not believe such space aliens exist. I think the alien stories are either a hoax, created by men, or a hoax created by demonic beings to deceive mankind. The Bible teaches God created mankind on this planet only. It also teaches there is an angelic host and there are fallen angels. Other than that, nothing else exists, at least to my knowledge. While I often enjoy watching science fiction programs, I don't give any serious credence to the messages they promote. They do serve one purpose however. By watching them, and listening to shows like Coast To Coast AM, we can see what the new agers are teaching and believing.

Hello Butero,

Thanks for your response,

You make a very good point in the stars being a seperate creation from the sun. And the teachings of our day do in fact teach that their are multiple suns as you say. But the creation account does not bear that out for it records for us that their was only one sun and one moon that was created the two greater lights that was to rule the day and night. Excellent points you have made in this regards

The bible does indeed teach that God created mankind on this planet. It teaches us about the angelic host of heaven and also about the fallen angels as well (being the "terresterial" beings). The terresterial beings are the angelic host and are "pert" to the heavens. There are also "celestial" beings as well these are "pert" to this earth. The bible also teaches us this knowledge as well.

And it is good that you stay aware about these things as they are some seriously wrong beliefs in this arena.

I enjoyed reading your post as you have made very valid points.

God Bless You Richly

Openly Curious

[Ovedya]

I think that it's a little illogical to say that there are not planets revolving around other suns in the galaxy. And considering the fact that the universes contains several million galaxies, it's pretty likely that there are other planets. The crucial factors for life - intelligent life - however are extremely narrow. These involve, among other things, the right type of sun, the correct distance from that sun, the proper atmospheric composition (hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen), the right size planet, the right size moon (if any), and even the right positioning of the solar system within its galaxy. I've heard that some creation scientists have placed the figure at something like 1 in 100 trillion against.

Well, let's look at what you just said. You are saying as a matter of absolute fact the universe contains several million galaxies. You are also buying into the idea the sun is a star. Certainly it could be and there may be millions of galaxies, but what if that is not the case? We know Genesis mentions the stars and the sun as being separate creations. It could be that they are not the same. Concerning the idea of millions of galaxies, scientists are saying that based on telescopic evidence, not close observations. From such a distance, it could appear we are viewing numerous galaxies, when in reality, that may not be the case. Even the distances they say these stars are from us are only speculation. I am only asking the question, what if they are wrong? Also, why is is considered ignorant to even question what they are saying?

I don't think that it's ignorant to question astronomers' observations. By all means, I think that it's important to examine their work with a critical, but open, mind.

However, I don't think that because some evidence appears to contradict our concepts of "How God made things" we should automatically asume that all science is irrelavent. I think that, at least with respect to astronomy in particular, these observations can help to expand our appreaciation for God's creation. After all, shouldn't we also be willing to critically examine our own preconceptions in light of new evidence? You know, some theologins had to seriously re-examine their own concepts in light of Columbus' discoveries, I think that it's not a bad thing to have our own concepts blown every once in a while too.

As far as stars being suns, I think that's already a proven fact of science. I don't know of any really serious scientific school that claims they are something other than suns. But maybe there is one? But saying that stars are suns and that galaxies are billions of suns in clusters doesn't have to contradict the Bible either.

[Openly Curious]

I think that it's a little illogical to say that there are not planets revolving around other suns in the galaxy. And considering the fact that the universes contains several million galaxies, it's pretty likely that there are other planets. The crucial factors for life - intelligent life - however are extremely narrow. These involve, among other things, the right type of sun, the correct distance from that sun, the proper atmospheric composition (hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen), the right size planet, the right size moon (if any), and even the right positioning of the solar system within its galaxy. I've heard that some creation scientists have placed the figure at something like 1 in 100 trillion against.

Hello Ovedya,

Thanks for your response and your opinions in this regards,

I do believe there are other planets out there in our solar system like jupiter, mars, pluto, venus and so on. I believe these planets play an important role in the changing of the seasons for they were created for that very pupose as is recorded in the genesis account of creation.

But I do not believe that they revolve around other suns in the galaxy. Because in the genesis account of creation there was only "one sun" that God created not multiple suns but only one. So this theory I would say does not coincide with truth given to us or at least that is the way I see it. I agree that other forms of life could not exist likely even if they could because of the condition you mention in your post.

Thanks once again and I've enjoyed chatting with you

God Bless

Openly Curious

[MrLuke]

This whole conversation about the sun being a different creation to the stars is a good and valid point. One that had never occurred to me before, actually! But it got me thinking again on another subject I've posted on before along the same lines.

I'll start with Genesis in the NRSV:

3Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

... ...

14And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16God made the two great lights

Edited February 27, 2006 by Luke

[Openly Curious]

This whole conversation about the sun being a different creation to the stars is a good and valid point. One that had never occurred to me before, actually! But it got me thinking again on another subject I've posted on before along the same lines.

I'll start with Genesis in the NRSV:

3Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

... ...

14And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16God made the two great lights

[MrLuke]

But what of light if that is, as Genesis seems to say, a separate creation to the sun and the stars and even created before those!

[Ovedya]

I think that it's a little illogical to say that there are not planets revolving around other suns in the galaxy. And considering the fact that the universes contains several million galaxies, it's pretty likely that there are other planets. The crucial factors for life - intelligent life - however are extremely narrow. These involve, among other things, the right type of sun, the correct distance from that sun, the proper atmospheric composition (hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen), the right size planet, the right size moon (if any), and even the right positioning of the solar system within its galaxy. I've heard that some creation scientists have placed the figure at something like 1 in 100 trillion against.

Hello Ovedya,

Thanks for your response and your opinions in this regards,

I do believe there are other planets out there in our solar system like jupiter, mars, pluto, venus and so on. I believe these planets play an important role in the changing of the seasons for they were created for that very pupose as is recorded in the genesis account of creation.

But I do not believe that they revolve around other suns in the galaxy. Because in the genesis account of creation there was only "one sun" that God created not multiple suns but only one. So this theory I would say does not coincide with truth given to us or at least that is the way I see it. I agree that other forms of life could not exist likely even if they could because of the condition you mention in your post.

Thanks once again and I've enjoyed chatting with you

God Bless

Openly Curious

Okay, but look at the verses that we're talking about here (Gen. 1:16-18)

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good."

Now, if you really want to get technical, the Bible does not say that God created a "sun" and a "moon." The Bible calls them both "two great lights." Of course, we know that it's talking about the sun and the moon, right? And we can look to other verses in the Bible that tell us that these are, in fact, the sun and the moon. But the moon is not equal to the sun. It's not a "light" like the sun is.

However, the stars are lights like the sun is, according to these verses. The Strong's gives two possible roots, one of which - Kavah - means "to burn or scorch." That sounds an awful lot like a sun to me.

Also, if you look at some of the references to stars in the Bible, it's interesting that stars:

1) Are created bodies set into the heavens - Gen. 1:16-17; Psa. 8:3; 148:5;

2) Were appointed to give light by night - Gen. 1:16,14; Psa. 136:9; Jer. 31:35

3) Have numbers and names - Psalm 147:4

4) Are established forever - Psa. 148:3, 6; Jer. 31:36

5) Revolve in fixed orbits - Judges 5:20

6) Appear of different magnitudes - 1 Cor. 15:41

These I got from Torrey's Topical Textbook on Crosswalk.com. There are several other references which I did not post. The point here is to show that the stars are specific created bodies and that they need not be construed as being different than our own sun necessarily, even though they clearly have a different function according to the Scriptures.

[Ovedya]

Hmmmm....

"dark matter" ?

[Openly Curious]

I think that it's a little illogical to say that there are not planets revolving around other suns in the galaxy. And considering the fact that the universes contains several million galaxies, it's pretty likely that there are other planets. The crucial factors for life - intelligent life - however are extremely narrow. These involve, among other things, the right type of sun, the correct distance from that sun, the proper atmospheric composition (hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen), the right size planet, the right size moon (if any), and even the right positioning of the solar system within its galaxy. I've heard that some creation scientists have placed the figure at something like 1 in 100 trillion against.

Hello Ovedya,

Thanks for your response and your opinions in this regards,

I do believe there are other planets out there in our solar system like jupiter, mars, pluto, venus and so on. I believe these planets play an important role in the changing of the seasons for they were created for that very pupose as is recorded in the genesis account of creation.

But I do not believe that they revolve around other suns in the galaxy. Because in the genesis account of creation there was only "one sun" that God created not multiple suns but only one. So this theory I would say does not coincide with truth given to us or at least that is the way I see it. I agree that other forms of life could not exist likely even if they could because of the condition you mention in your post.

Thanks once again and I've enjoyed chatting with you

God Bless

Openly Curious

Okay, but look at the verses that we're talking about here (Gen. 1:16-18)

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good."

Now, if you really want to get technical, the Bible does not say that God created a "sun" and a "moon." The Bible calls them both "two great lights." Of course, we know that it's talking about the sun and the moon, right? And we can look to other verses in the Bible that tell us that these are, in fact, the sun and the moon. But the moon is not equal to the sun. It's not a "light" like the sun is.

However, the stars are lights like the sun is, according to these verses. The Strong's gives two possible roots, one of which - Kavah - means "to burn or scorch." That sounds an awful lot like a sun to me.

Also, if you look at some of the references to stars in the Bible, it's interesting that stars:

1) Are created bodies set into the heavens - Gen. 1:16-17; Psa. 8:3; 148:5;

2) Were appointed to give light by night - Gen. 1:16,14; Psa. 136:9; Jer. 31:35

3) Have numbers and names - Psalm 147:4

4) Are established forever - Psa. 148:3, 6; Jer. 31:36

5) Revolve in fixed orbits - Judges 5:20

6) Appear of different magnitudes - 1 Cor. 15:41

These I got from Torrey's Topical Textbook on Crosswalk.com. There are several other references which I did not post. The point here is to show that the stars are specific created bodies and that they need not be construed as being different than our own sun necessarily, even though they clearly have a different function according to the Scriptures.

Hello Ovedya,

The proper term as you say is the "two great light" Well the "greater" of these two lights was to rule the day it's purpose was to give us daylight. That is why God created the greater light to do and it has been doing it faithfully every single day since that time.

The "lesser" of the two great lights was created to rule the night and we have had night faithfully ever since that time as well.

One other purpose of these two great lights was to divide the light from the darkness. As God didn't want the darkness and light he created on the first day to shine all the time so he seperates them.

Now as far as the lights that God created in the firmament as well on this 4th day of creation is concerned. The scriptures plainly tells us of their purpose as well. Being also to divide the day from the night as they would also aid in this division that God wanted between the light and darkness. They were also created for signs, seasons, for days, and years. And they were placed in the heavens by God so they would aid in giving light upon the earth. These lights I believe to be the solar system, Orion belt, milky way, constellation, like the planets venus, mars and such like.

I believe that the "stars" he created also on this same day are an entirely different creation from the lights in the firmament I mentioned above that controls our wheather, seasons and the such like.

Now logically just in simple observation of things. The "greater" light was the one created to rule the day and in the day time hours that is the light that I see everyday as this greater light rules. I do not see any of the other lights that God put in the firmament giving their light at this time for it would even be futile because of the brightness that the "greater" light is giving and radiating out to this earth.

On the flip side at night time when the "lesser" light is ruling this is the time when I see the other lights in the firmament giving and shinning their lights to aid in division that God wanted between the day and night.

Just seems to reason if the lights in the firmament were to aid the "greater" light in ruling the day then they would be present or I should say seen by us ruling along with the "greater" light in the daylight hours.

But instead I've always seen them aiding and abeating with the "lesser" of the two lights at night being as they are at that time manifest to us as we look up and enjoy a beautiful sky at night.

And "no" the moon is not at all equal to the sun "but" the moon is still a "light" as scripture has plainly told us it was the "Lesser" of the two great "lights"

God Bless

Openly Curious