sheya joie Posted March 2, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2006 People have the gift of healing and heal. People have the gift of discernment and discern etc. People do? Where in the Bible did you read that? Angels I'm assuming he read it here: 1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLuke Posted March 2, 2006 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 628 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1985 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 People have the gift of healing and heal. People have the gift of discernment and discern etc. People do? Where in the Bible did you read that? Angels I'm assuming he read it here: 1Co 12:4 - 11 Yes exactly. It plainly says that the Spirit gives people these gifts. You only have to read the book of Acts to see them in use too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted March 2, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2006 (edited) This is a mistranslation of the text. The Hebrew here is merely talking about one that sees or perceives something...not one that sees into the future. In fact, the same Hebrew word used here is also translated as "look" and "consider" in other portions of the book. The other word translated into "seer" in the King James actually comes from chazah which also means "to perceive." None of these mean, "Look into the future" or hold the same meaning as "seer" does today. It would be foolish for anyone to say, "You have the gift of seer." There is no such gift. Well from this article I've been reading on http://www.streamsministries.com; as quoted as this: WORD ORIGINS Perhaps we should begin by looking at some of the Hebrew words translated in Scripture as "prophet" and "seer." The Strong's Concordance translates these as follows: "SEER" Hebrew (7200, 7203, 2374, 2372) -- Hebrew 7200: ra'ah, raw-aw'; to see, look, view; to realize, know, consider; to be selected; to become visible, appear, show oneself; to be seen; to cause to see, show; to be shown; to look at each other, meet with; a general word for visual perception. -- Hebrew 7203: ro'eh, ro-eh'; a seer; vision. -- Hebrew 2374: Chozeh, kho-zeh'; seer, one who receives a communication from God, with a possible focus that the message had a visual component; agreement. -- Hebrew 2372: Chazah, khaw-zaw'; to see, to look, observe, gaze, by extension: to choose (one thing or another); to have visions, to prophesy. "PROPHET" Hebrew (5030, 5012, 5197) -- Hebrew 5030: nabiy', naw-bee'; a prophet (true or false). -- Hebrew 5012: naba', naw-baw'; to prophesy, speak as a prophet; prophesy has its focus on encouraging or restoring covenant faithfulness, the telling of future events encourages obedience or warns against disobedience. -- Hebrew 5197: nataph, naw-taf'; to pour down; gently fall, drip; to (drip words) preach, prophesy. WORD USAGE We also need to look at how the words are used. Many use the terms "seer" and "prophet" interchangeably. Furthermore, some believe that seers have not existed since the time of the Prophet Samuel (1150 B.C. - 1010 B.C.). They quote 1 Samuel 9:9: "(Formerly in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, he spoke thus: 'Come, let us go to the seer' for he who is now called a prophet was formerly called a seer)". ... ... In addition, there seems to be a difference even between those who functioned as "seers". In 1 Chronicles 29:29, the word "seer" is used twice, but it is not the same Hebrew word. "Now the acts of Kind David, first and last, indeed they are written in the book of Samuel the seer (7200), in the book of Nathan the prophet (5030), and in the book of Gad the seer (2374)" (1 Chronicles 29:29). Perhaps this indicates a difference in how Samuel and Gad received revelation from God. Samuel had a wide variety of revelatory experiences, perhaps broader than Gad's. Samuel was gifted in visions, knowings, and dreams. He transcended time and geographic locality to watch events that were occurring simultaneously outside of his immediate geographic location. He knew who was coming to his door before the person arrived. He even predicted weather patterns 1 Samuel 12:17. Hello Luke, I would just like to encourage you in the Lord to continue seeking him within this matter. "For with God all things are possible" the gift of prophecy and the gift of prophesying is contained in the bible as well as the gift of a prophet is also in the bible. So stick to your study in this arena. For all three of the spiritual gifts I've mentioned all include the gift of insight given to them by God. For one cannot speak forth in any kind of message about the future events that are contained in the bible (being "prophecy" that I'm talking about here) unless God gives to them the interpretations, knowledge or "insight" petaining to the future events that will happen according to the pages of God's word. One would need insight (SIGHT) from God to operate within this gift of prophecy for without insight from God you simply couldn't teach under the inspiration of the Spirit of God on prophetic events. And so many in our day does this very thing and they come up with all kinds of weird explanations regarding bible prophecy lacking any insight from God whatsoever. The gift of prophesying is different from the gift of prophecy. Prophesying requires insight from God as well as in the case of Samuel the prophet which you have been studying. God visited Samuel and spoke to him and gave him inside knowledge (insight the gift of sight seeing into the future) of what all would happen if the children of Irael persisted on wanting to set up a king like the other nations of the earth had done. Well the prophet Samuel obeyed God and went and prophesied (Spoke it forth under the direction and annointing of God) to the children of Israel and told them all the words God had given and showed him that would happen if they rejected him as being their king. Now why I believe in these gifts above and the word even tells us to "Despise not prophesyings prove all things hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21)one must be very careful in these avenues because there are many out there who claim to have these gifts but in fact "do not" have these gifts. It is kinda like what the apostle Paul said when warning us about false teachers and the problems of unsound doctrine in 1 Timothy 1:7 where he said, "desiring to be teachers of the law understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." This showing us that people have personal desires of their own wills within themselves to be teachers, but they don't have the gift they lack understanding and knowledge so they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to God's word. So to be a gifted teacher of God then God has to give a person the gift of knowledge and understanding in order that they may correctly teach and instruct others in the word of God. And so it is with the gifts of prophecy and prophesying there are many who desire those gifts but do not at all possess those gifts. We must beware of false prophets as well as false teachers so that we will not be lead astray by any errors of any kind relating to the gifts and calling of others. And so we ourselves will not be responsible in leading other people astray in our own errors as well within our giftings and callings from God. So I caution you in what you hear to pray and continue your study you are on the right path there, 1 Timothy 4:13-16 says, "Till I come, give attendance to reading to exhortation to doctrine. Neglect not the gift that is in thee , which was given thee by prophecy with laying on of the hands of the presbytery. Meditate upon these things give thyself wholly to them that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself and unto doctrine continue in them for in so doing this thou shalt both save thyself and them that hear thee." Don't let others discourage you Luke if God has a calling and work for you to do then he will bring his purpose to pass within your life even if others do not believe. In His Stead Openly Curious Edited March 2, 2006 by Openly Curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted March 2, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2006 Does anyone realize there is nothing Biblical here? There is no gift of prophsying or seer in the Bible....these are all made up things. Why? Because the Church has bought into Eastern mysticism....that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLuke Posted March 2, 2006 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 628 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1985 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 (edited) Does anyone realize there is nothing Biblical here? There is no gift of prophsying or seer in the Bible....these are all made up things. Why? Because the Church has bought into Eastern mysticism....that's why. What is wrong with you people? Are you blind? Regardless of what was said to me in the OP the Bible clearly has people in it that were called Seers and Prophets. 1 Corinthians 12 talks all about the gifts of the Holy Spirit! 1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom ; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles ; to another prophecy ; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. Look at the parts in RED: the Spirit gives these gifts to people! Take note of the BLUE PART! Look at the parts in BLACK: these are the gifts the Spirit gives to people! Are you calling this unbiblical? Edited March 2, 2006 by Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted March 3, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2006 Luke in who do you put your trust?? God is not a God of confusion...and it sound you are confused what would you like to hear? Why not go by the Word of God that's enough for you and He will never disappoint you if you put your trust in Him. I know who holds the future ..do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted March 3, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2006 Does anyone realize there is nothing Biblical here? There is no gift of prophsying or seer in the Bible....these are all made up things. Why? Because the Church has bought into Eastern mysticism....that's why. What is wrong with you people? Are you blind? Regardless of what was said to me in the OP the Bible clearly has people in it that were called Seers and Prophets. 1 Corinthians 12 talks all about the gifts of the Holy Spirit! 1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom ; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles ; to another prophecy ; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. Look at the parts in RED: the Spirit gives these gifts to people! Take note of the BLUE PART! Look at the parts in BLACK: these are the gifts the Spirit gives to people! Are you calling this unbiblical? My reply was to: The gift of prophesying is different from the gift of prophecy. That si the most absurd thing I have ever heard. There is no biblical backing for it. Most of this "prophecy" junk is emotional/mystic based and not Biblically based. You've yet to prove that the "gift of seer" (which is supposedly different from prophecy) is in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted March 3, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2006 I'm waiting for a answer too when people get healed by people? I agree with apothanein kerdos that this whole thing is very unbiblicial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted March 3, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2006 Luke, I also want you to know that we're not attacking you....I'm just concerned you're involved in some messed up stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepherdsgrace Posted March 3, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 880 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2006 Hey Luke, All you asked for was some info. And you have received all kinds of remarks. Just want you to know that I have all kinds of confidence in your own ability to receive from the Holy Spirit and to move on in wisdom and love of God. God bless you as you serve the Lord and live for HIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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