Is Satan behind this....?

[DaniJ87]

Please don't get up in arms responding to a comment that may not have been even meant to be offensive. This is where the forums often become unbiblical. It is too easy to lash out at people in retaliation over the internet; we need to realize that it is wrong, just as it would be wrong in person. When someone does us wrong, or offends us... we need to forgive them, and not make an issue of it, (though if it is something that is really a sin, we should go to the person privately, etc.. and deal with it...and follow the rest of the Biblical procedure for dealing with grievances) because making a big deal about something that is not of consquence eternally, is useless.

I say this as a general comment because it seems to happen all too often on these boards.

If you can't say something edifying, don't say anything.

That is an interesting theory that perhaps the devil doesn't know... I suppose it's possible.. I will have to get my Bible out and see if it holds up with scripture. After all... Satan is NOT omiscient... so... why not? On the other hand, I don't think he would be this concentrated on making us stumble if he was not condemned and knew it. but... that is just my idea... so... research it and develop your faith.

~Danette

"Education doesn't equal wisdom, and youth doesn't equal ignorance."

[sisterinchrist]

Please don't get up in arms responding to a comment that may not have been even meant to be offensive. This is where the forums often become unbiblical. It is too easy to lash out at people in retaliation over the internet; we need to realize that it is wrong, just as it would be wrong in person. When someone does us wrong, or offends us... we need to forgive them, and not make an issue of it, (though if it is something that is really a sin, we should go to the person privately, etc.. and deal with it...and follow the rest of the Biblical procedure for dealing with grievances) because making a big deal about something that is not of consquence eternally, is useless.

I say this as a general comment because it seems to happen all too often on these boards.

If you can't say something edifying, don't say anything.

That is an interesting theory that perhaps the devil doesn't know... I suppose it's possible.. I will have to get my Bible out and see if it holds up with scripture. After all... Satan is NOT omiscient... so... why not? On the other hand, I don't think he would be this concentrated on making us stumble if he was not condemned and knew it. but... that is just my idea... so... research it and develop your faith.

~Danette

"Education doesn't equal wisdom, and youth doesn't equal ignorance."

Yes indeed satan knows, and he knows there is a future for him and he is trying to take us with him. I call him a defeated foe.

[DaniJ87]

col. 2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Um, this says that the Lord's victory over satanic powers is PAST TENSE, that is its already done, and moreover it was done openly, for all to see. So yes, Satan does know he's already lost.

A "Triumph" is a specific reference to a Roman parade which they had after wars, in which you would take your Generals and have them parade enemy leaders and generals around town showing everyone that you have beaten your enemy.

Good point....

and it makes me think...

Everything God does has been done already. It is already written.

Another point...... The Bible does tell us that he will be defeated...... Don't you think that Satan knows what the Bible says? He knows it is God's word... and he quoted it to Jesus during the 40 days in the wilderness.... Yes, he knows all of the prophecies... and because he knows God... he knows that he is going to be defeated. Because God always does what He says He will.

[apothanein kerdos]

col. 2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Um, this says that the Lord's victory over satanic powers is PAST TENSE, that is its already done, and moreover it was done openly, for all to see. So yes, Satan does know he's already lost.

A "Triumph" is a specific reference to a Roman parade which they had after wars, in which you would take your Generals and have them parade enemy leaders and generals around town showing everyone that you have beaten your enemy.

Good point....

and it makes me think...

Everything God does has been done already. It is already written.

Another point...... The Bible does tell us that he will be defeated...... Don't you think that Satan knows what the Bible says? He knows it is God's word... and he quoted it to Jesus during the 40 days in the wilderness.... Yes, he knows all of the prophecies... and because he knows God... he knows that he is going to be defeated. Because God always does what He says He will.

That's the point of narcisism...no matter what the reality is, the person believes the opposite. Look to Hitler...though Germany was being invaded and Berlin was bombed out, he still believed they were going to win the war. It was only in the end that he saw the reality of the situation. It forces a person to acknowledge what has been said but instead of believing it, they default to a self-made world. It is extreme self-love...which is what caused Satan to fall in the first place. After all, if he knew he was going to be defeated...why did he rebel to begin with? Likewise, what is his motivation for doing what he does if he knows the outcome? If he knew Christ would raise from the dead, then why did he have Him killed? If he knew this would bring salvation, why did he do it? If he knows he will lose, why does he act as if though he will not? If Satan knows everything that will happen via God's Word, then there are simply inconsistencies with the nature of Satan and the actions of Satan. If, however, he is living in a self-imposed reality that is dellusional, it makes perfect sense.

Yes, the Bible says that Satan has been defeated. This does not mean, however, that he has accepted such a statement. It also foretold of a Messiah comming to earth and dying which would bring about the redemption of man...if Satan truly believed it, then why did he kill Christ?

[RustyAngeL]

Sure satan knows what is facing him and yes he knows he will loose. I think that's why he is trying so hard to take as many with him as he can.

[DaniJ87]

col. 2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Um, this says that the Lord's victory over satanic powers is PAST TENSE, that is its already done, and moreover it was done openly, for all to see. So yes, Satan does know he's already lost.

A "Triumph" is a specific reference to a Roman parade which they had after wars, in which you would take your Generals and have them parade enemy leaders and generals around town showing everyone that you have beaten your enemy.

Good point....

and it makes me think...

Everything God does has been done already. It is already written.

Another point...... The Bible does tell us that he will be defeated...... Don't you think that Satan knows what the Bible says? He knows it is God's word... and he quoted it to Jesus during the 40 days in the wilderness.... Yes, he knows all of the prophecies... and because he knows God... he knows that he is going to be defeated. Because God always does what He says He will.

That's the point of narcisism...no matter what the reality is, the person believes the opposite. Look to Hitler...though Germany was being invaded and Berlin was bombed out, he still believed they were going to win the war. It was only in the end that he saw the reality of the situation. It forces a person to acknowledge what has been said but instead of believing it, they default to a self-made world. It is extreme self-love...which is what caused Satan to fall in the first place. After all, if he knew he was going to be defeated...why did he rebel to begin with? Likewise, what is his motivation for doing what he does if he knows the outcome? If he knew Christ would raise from the dead, then why did he have Him killed? If he knew this would bring salvation, why did he do it? If he knows he will lose, why does he act as if though he will not? If Satan knows everything that will happen via God's Word, then there are simply inconsistencies with the nature of Satan and the actions of Satan. If, however, he is living in a self-imposed reality that is dellusional, it makes perfect sense.

Yes, the Bible says that Satan has been defeated. This does not mean, however, that he has accepted such a statement. It also foretold of a Messiah comming to earth and dying which would bring about the redemption of man...if Satan truly believed it, then why did he kill Christ?

Because he is filled with hatred... and even though he knew he would lose... he got to kill God for 3 days....

Hitler didn't know he would lose. He knew he was doing horrible things... but does anyone ever want to admit that they might lose?

If Hitler had a message let's say, that told him that the allies were a minute away from dropping an atomic bomb on him... I can guess that he would then KNOW that he had lost. He also DID know he was going to lose- that's why he killed himself.

The devil knows the bible as well as any of us... like someone said near the beginning... "He's an evil bible scholar"...

You can choose to believe he doesn't know... but I think that not only does he know, but he attacks us for that reason; because he can't change his eternal destiny. he wants to make as many people suffer with him as he can.

[apothanein kerdos]

col. 2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Um, this says that the Lord's victory over satanic powers is PAST TENSE, that is its already done, and moreover it was done openly, for all to see. So yes, Satan does know he's already lost.

A "Triumph" is a specific reference to a Roman parade which they had after wars, in which you would take your Generals and have them parade enemy leaders and generals around town showing everyone that you have beaten your enemy.

Good point....

and it makes me think...

Everything God does has been done already. It is already written.

Another point...... The Bible does tell us that he will be defeated...... Don't you think that Satan knows what the Bible says? He knows it is God's word... and he quoted it to Jesus during the 40 days in the wilderness.... Yes, he knows all of the prophecies... and because he knows God... he knows that he is going to be defeated. Because God always does what He says He will.

That's the point of narcisism...no matter what the reality is, the person believes the opposite. Look to Hitler...though Germany was being invaded and Berlin was bombed out, he still believed they were going to win the war. It was only in the end that he saw the reality of the situation. It forces a person to acknowledge what has been said but instead of believing it, they default to a self-made world. It is extreme self-love...which is what caused Satan to fall in the first place. After all, if he knew he was going to be defeated...why did he rebel to begin with? Likewise, what is his motivation for doing what he does if he knows the outcome? If he knew Christ would raise from the dead, then why did he have Him killed? If he knew this would bring salvation, why did he do it? If he knows he will lose, why does he act as if though he will not? If Satan knows everything that will happen via God's Word, then there are simply inconsistencies with the nature of Satan and the actions of Satan. If, however, he is living in a self-imposed reality that is dellusional, it makes perfect sense.

Yes, the Bible says that Satan has been defeated. This does not mean, however, that he has accepted such a statement. It also foretold of a Messiah comming to earth and dying which would bring about the redemption of man...if Satan truly believed it, then why did he kill Christ?

Because he is filled with hatred... and even though he knew he would lose... he got to kill God for 3 days....

Hitler didn't know he would lose. He knew he was doing horrible things... but does anyone ever want to admit that they might lose?

If Hitler had a message let's say, that told him that the allies were a minute away from dropping an atomic bomb on him... I can guess that he would then KNOW that he had lost. He also DID know he was going to lose- that's why he killed himself.

The devil knows the bible as well as any of us... like someone said near the beginning... "He's an evil bible scholar"...

You can choose to believe he doesn't know... but I think that not only does he know, but he attacks us for that reason; because he can't change his eternal destiny. he wants to make as many people suffer with him as he can.

This doesn't answer the objections I brought up though. "He got to kill God for three days." So what? The ultimate end was salvation for billions of people...people who otherwise would not have been saved. So why would he do it?

Just because someone has a knowledge of the Bible does not mean they believe it. Look at the Jesus confrence. Those men have Ph.D's, understand both Greek and Hebrew, have read the Bible over, yet are completely off it's ridiculous. Knowledge of the Bible does not mean we have to believe it. Again, why would Satan do all of these things even if he knew he would lose? Yes, he's evil, but evil does not motivate a person to fight a war they know they will lose.

[DaniJ87]

col. 2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Um, this says that the Lord's victory over satanic powers is PAST TENSE, that is its already done, and moreover it was done openly, for all to see. So yes, Satan does know he's already lost.

A "Triumph" is a specific reference to a Roman parade which they had after wars, in which you would take your Generals and have them parade enemy leaders and generals around town showing everyone that you have beaten your enemy.

Good point....

and it makes me think...

Everything God does has been done already. It is already written.

Another point...... The Bible does tell us that he will be defeated...... Don't you think that Satan knows what the Bible says? He knows it is God's word... and he quoted it to Jesus during the 40 days in the wilderness.... Yes, he knows all of the prophecies... and because he knows God... he knows that he is going to be defeated. Because God always does what He says He will.

That's the point of narcisism...no matter what the reality is, the person believes the opposite. Look to Hitler...though Germany was being invaded and Berlin was bombed out, he still believed they were going to win the war. It was only in the end that he saw the reality of the situation. It forces a person to acknowledge what has been said but instead of believing it, they default to a self-made world. It is extreme self-love...which is what caused Satan to fall in the first place. After all, if he knew he was going to be defeated...why did he rebel to begin with? Likewise, what is his motivation for doing what he does if he knows the outcome? If he knew Christ would raise from the dead, then why did he have Him killed? If he knew this would bring salvation, why did he do it? If he knows he will lose, why does he act as if though he will not? If Satan knows everything that will happen via God's Word, then there are simply inconsistencies with the nature of Satan and the actions of Satan. If, however, he is living in a self-imposed reality that is dellusional, it makes perfect sense.

Yes, the Bible says that Satan has been defeated. This does not mean, however, that he has accepted such a statement. It also foretold of a Messiah comming to earth and dying which would bring about the redemption of man...if Satan truly believed it, then why did he kill Christ?

Because he is filled with hatred... and even though he knew he would lose... he got to kill God for 3 days....

Hitler didn't know he would lose. He knew he was doing horrible things... but does anyone ever want to admit that they might lose?

If Hitler had a message let's say, that told him that the allies were a minute away from dropping an atomic bomb on him... I can guess that he would then KNOW that he had lost. He also DID know he was going to lose- that's why he killed himself.

The devil knows the bible as well as any of us... like someone said near the beginning... "He's an evil bible scholar"...

You can choose to believe he doesn't know... but I think that not only does he know, but he attacks us for that reason; because he can't change his eternal destiny. he wants to make as many people suffer with him as he can.

This doesn't answer the objections I brought up though. "He got to kill God for three days." So what? The ultimate end was salvation for billions of people...people who otherwise would not have been saved. So why would he do it?

Just because someone has a knowledge of the Bible does not mean they believe it. Look at the Jesus confrence. Those men have Ph.D's, understand both Greek and Hebrew, have read the Bible over, yet are completely off it's ridiculous. Knowledge of the Bible does not mean we have to believe it. Again, why would Satan do all of these things even if he knew he would lose? Yes, he's evil, but evil does not motivate a person to fight a war they know they will lose.

Umm... I would kind of agree... Evil DOES motivate people to fight a war they will lose.

[apothanein kerdos]

Umm... I would kind of agree... Evil DOES motivate people to fight a war they will lose.

Yep, people rob banks all the time, and its pretty much a given that you're going to get caught or die trying...

There is no logic in this. People rob banks with the intention and knowledge that they can get away with it. Evil does not motivate people to fight a losing battle...evil decieves them into thinking they will win.

Once again, why would Satan kill Jesus if he knew it would save billions of people? Evilness? C'mon...let's think rationally here.

[Abigailwc]

Satan knows he is defeated and as long as he is given some freedom to "play" with the human beings, he will play. However, he is not omniscient like God is. He knows in part only, he does not have the whole picture.

While he awaits his end, his goal is the turn the people against God. Just like Satan did with Adam and Eve, he wants to put doubts in our minds and turn us away from God.

Satan knew his complete defeat will come with Christ. That is why he tried to prevent the Messiah to be born by destroying His ancestors, the Jews. Of course, he failed. Then, when Jesus was born, Satan plotted to murder Him. Satan seemed to have the victory when Christ died on the cross. But, once again he failed when Jesus resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Now, the Messiah will return when the Jews acknowledge Him as Messiah and pray for His return (Matt 23:39). Satan knows that and his goal is either to destroy Israel, or to prevent the Jews to recognize Jesus as their Messiah. Consequently, he does not want us (Children of God) to proclaim to the world that Jesus is the Messiah.

There is a spiritual war going on. However, the christians, that is, the Children of God, have nothing to fear from the enemy. In the Name of Jesus, His children are more than conquerors against the enemy. We are to seek first the Kingdom of God in all we do and allow Him to work in us His will. God has a plan and His plan will come to fruition.

"Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, to God our Savior, who alone is wise, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen"