Suicide

[Ovedya]

Thats gonna leave a mark

[Ovedya]

Weren't we waiting for some verses here, or something?

[Guest NewPilgrim]

tick tock tick tock

OC had the time to tell me that he didnt have the time to provide his clear scriptures...so clear that it takes him half an hour to find them...and still counting

[Kabowd]

Weren't we waiting for some verses here, or something?

[Ovedya]

All of the above.

[Kabowd]

All of the above.

[Kabowd]

Well now I think I've figured out that this topic has turned into a doctrinal debate not over suicide but over what one is calling eternal security verses those who have a different view.

Well I didn't understand that such a thing existed I knew people had different views of the bible but did not understand these two groups actually fight against one another.

I had to even ask LadyC. within this thread what did OSAS stand for because I did not know.

I am a student of the bible and my views have been formed from the bible I am not schooled in denominational differences.

And as I am becoming aware of these vary differences I can see alot of people ain't studying their bibles. But since I have now realized this denomination doctrine teaching I will ask of those to supply me with scriptures to back up their beliefs for I have been very gracious within this thread sharing scriptures with you but now I ask this of all those who do not share with my biblical views to teach and share their scriptures with me that we may discuss them. I mean you ought to be able to back up what you believe in not just me.

God Bless

Openly Curious

Well, I just joined this discussion so forgive me if I state something that has already been said. I was curious to read the above post and discover that you had never even heard of such a widely known, centuries old debate like the issue of eternal security. I can assure you that some of the greatest minds in the history of Christianity have found themselves on either side of this debate. It isn't as simple as accusing someone with a differing view of not studying the Word. Since you have somewhat implied you've done tremendous study of the Scriptures, may I ask if you've acquired your knowledge and wisdom via personal study? Or have you had professional training? Do you value extra-biblical sources of education such as commentaries and things of that sort? Have you studied Greek and Hebrew?

I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm honestly asking so that I can gain a better understanding of where you're coming from. You say that you aren't "schooled in denominational doctrine or teaching", and I'm not sure what that means. Are you not affiliated with any particular denomination? What doctrine do you adhere to?

Thanks

[Ovedya]

In Judges 16:29-30 Samsonl killed himself and all those inside, by pushing two pillars apart. Since suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven due to the person's inability to repent and confess, did Samsonl go to hell?

In 1 Samuel 31:4-6 Saul fell on his sword after his armor bearere refused to kill him. Then the armor bearer also fell on his sword. Are both of these men in hell?

[Kabowd]

In Judges 16:29-30 Samsonl killed himself and all those inside, by pushing two pillars apart. Since suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven due to the person's inability to repent and confess, did Samsonl go to hell?

In 1 Samuel 31:4-6 Saul fell on his sword after his armor bearere refused to kill him. Then the armor bearer also fell on his sword. Are both of these men in hell?

Although he didn't follow through, Elijah also was desperate enough at one point to beg God to take his life.

"He came to a broom tree, sat down under it and prayed to die. "I have had enough, Lord, " he said, "Take my life; I am no better than my ancestors." I Kings 19:4

[Ovedya]

Moses too: "If thou wilt deal thus with me, kill me at once, if I find favor in thy sight, that I may not see my wretchedness." (Numb. 11:15)