Knowledge

[jamie]

[RustyAngeL]

2Ti 2:15 Study earnestly to present yourself approved to God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

Great response Jade.

[Guest man]

Man, remember the first post that I posted in this topic?? Read it again. They are trying to get you in that yoke buddie....Run!!

Jamie:

Just warning you. AK is so ensconced in greek intellectualism its amazing. He interprets the Bible through greek philosophy, rather than judging greek philosophy by scripture. Be careful. He values worldly intellectualism above the faith of the Bible.

1 cor. 1: 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

See, this comes at a time when the Greek philosophers, supposedly some of the greatest minds ever, where still fresh on everyone's mind. But the philosophers could not "think" their way into the kingdom of God. They could not find God by intellect, no matter how hard they tried. Some were leaning more towards the truth than others. Some recognized the need for ONE supreme God to have made the universe, but intellect could not provide the means to find that "Being" (as opposed to "being").

The simplicity of Christ is what confounds the greco-roman intellectual, and as well the jew. The Jews wanted a conqueror Messiah who would do signs and wonders and destroy the heathen. The greeks(and romans) wanted intellect. They wanted a "god" they could figure out and put in a little box. But God came as a mere carpenter and died on a cross to redeem man. He didn't do it through the rich and powerful, or the intellectuals, or the scholars or philosophers, or the levitical priesthood. He did it through his own shed blood. That of a poor man who didn't have a place to lay his head. Philosophy is man looking for God. The cross is God revealing himself to man, and saving man from his sin.

Saul of Tarsus didn't find God through education or philosophy. Saul spoke at least 2 languages, probably 3, and fluently. Saul was one of the most educated people alive at the time, Tot he point that Festus later told him, "Much learning has made you insane," in response to his witnessing for Christ. Yet he hated the name of Jesus before his conversion, and sought to wipe the name out from the earth, along with all of its followers. Saul never found God or his Son Jesus. He wasn't even looking for God, he was on his way to kill some "heretick" Christians. Jesus found Saul on the road to Damascus. And when he saw him, and was struck blind, he KNEW it was God, and asked him, "Who are you LORD?" It wasn't intellect or philosophy that saved Saul, it was grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

No, God doesn't want us to be ignorant, but when you start placing your focus on your education and philosophical debates and models, you're straying from the simplicity of Jesus Christ.

I never thought I would say this to you...but

[Dad Ernie]

Fact is you can't you snake.

Greetings Apo,

You might know that I agree with you about the Greek and Hebrew languages, however, your conversation has gone a little overboard and is defeating your purpose. We should not be name calling, that is not for us to do. Let your conversation be with all grace and love.

I have a secular proverb taped to my computer. It says: "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause." Something to think about.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[apothanein kerdos]

Fact is you can't you snake.

Greetings Apo,

You might know that I agree with you about the Greek and Hebrew languages, however, your conversation has gone a little overboard and is defeating your purpose. We should not be name calling, that is not for us to do. Let your conversation be with all grace and love.

I have a secular proverb taped to my computer. It says: "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause." Something to think about.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Already PM'ed WSB and handling it in private. If you'll notice, both of our posts were removed by b oth of us

[nebula]

Here are a couple of examples of what difference knowing the original languages can do for you:

John 21

15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Feed My lambs." 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

Now check this out:

15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you agape Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I philio You." He said to him, "Feed My lambs." 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you agape Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I philio You." He said to him, "Tend My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you philio Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you philio Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I philio You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

Puts a different twist on the account, don't you think?

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Another example - did you know that the word we know as "praise" has more than one word in Hebrew? For example:

Zamar - "to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise;" a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.

Yadah - "the extended hand, to throw out the hand, therefore to worship with extended hand."

Tahillah - "the singing of halals, to sing or to laud;" perceived to involve music, especially singing; hymns of the Spirit.

Towdah - "an extension of the hand in adoration, avowal, or acceptance." By way of application, it is appratent in the Psalms and elsewhere that it is used for thanking God for "things not yet received" as well as things already at hand.

Halal - "to be clear, to shine, to boast, show, to rave, celebrate, to be clamorously foolish."

Barak - "to kneel down, to bless God as an act of adoration."

Shabach - "to shout, to address in a loud tone, to command, to triumph."

Source

Now, without knowing the Hebrew words used and what they convey, can you know, for instance, that:

"Give thanks to the Lord, for his lovingkindness is everlasting," (2Chr 20:21)

is actually saying "Give raised hands in worship ((yadah) to the Lord...."?

[apothanein kerdos]

Here are a couple of examples of what difference knowing the original languages can do for you:

John 21

15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Feed My lambs." 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

Now check this out:

15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you agape Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I philio You." He said to him, "Feed My lambs." 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you agape Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I philio You." He said to him, "Tend My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you philio Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you philio Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I philio You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

Puts a different twist on the account, don't you think?

**

Another example - did you know that the word we know as "praise" has more than one word in Hebrew? For example:

Zamar - "to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise;" a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.

Yadah - "the extended hand, to throw out the hand, therefore to worship with extended hand."

Tahillah - "the singing of halals, to sing or to laud;" perceived to involve music, especially singing; hymns of the Spirit.

Towdah - "an extension of the hand in adoration, avowal, or acceptance." By way of application, it is appratent in the Psalms and elsewhere that it is used for thanking God for "things not yet received" as well as things already at hand.

Halal - "to be clear, to shine, to boast, show, to rave, celebrate, to be clamorously foolish."

Barak - "to kneel down, to bless God as an act of adoration."

Shabach - "to shout, to address in a loud tone, to command, to triumph."

Source

Now, without knowing the Hebrew words used and what they convey, can you know, for instance, that:

"Give thanks to the Lord, for his lovingkindness is everlasting," (2Chr 20:21)

is actually saying "Give raised hands in worship ((yadah) to the Lord...."?