Two friends.. homosexuals???

[Twilightki]

I wrote something a little while ago, and I'd like some of you to read it. I don't want anyone to get offended at the religious things said in it.

I understand that it is in the Christian religion that homosexuality is wrong, but at least see my point of view here.

Gay people go through alot more than people may think. People don't give thought to this usually because they are the butt of almost every joke and outcasts to heterosexual people, which are considered the "norm". Theres people out there who say that they are fine with gay people as long as they keep it secret or hidden. This is almost as ignorant as the people who bash it. Saying this is like restricting someone to express their love. How would you feel if you couldn't kiss someone or hug someone you love in front of everyone?

It is not a mental illness as some people may think. People in the 70's put homosexuality in that category since it was different from what was accepted by society. People see homosexuals as perverts or child molestors. Just as many heterosexuals molest children as gay people, maybe more. I do not know why, but some people think being gay is a choice. It is most definitely not. It's heterosexuals who say this too, let me ask heterosexuals a question, if one day you decided to be homosexual, you may try it, but I highly doubt you will enjoy it, unless you discovered you are bisexual.

(Edited by Moderator). I hear this word echoed in the halls of my school everyday. Used loosely, never thinking of an impact it may have on someone. In my book, calling a gay person a "Edited by Moderator" is just as bad as calling a black person a "Edited by Moderator". It hurts all the same.

I'm for gay rights and stuff, as if it isn't obvious already. But I never really saw the point in gay pride parades. I asked someone one day...and they told me. Gay pride parades are gay peoples way of expressing themselves, being truly free. Their way of saying, "we're here, and we're not going away.".

I believe theres now new evidence that indicates that homosexuality is due to the number of chromosomes someone has or something like that. Don't quote me on it, but that's what I heard.

As for the limp wristed lisp talking image of males, and the masculine identity of females, these are stereotypes. Never listen to stereotypes. Saying all gay people are like that is like saying Satanists sacrifice virgins and condone drug use. That is a stereotype created partly by the Christian church and rebellious teenagers. Yes, there are quite a bit of gay people like this, but that does not mean every single one is. Most are ordinary people. As for males acting more feminine, I think it's because since they like men, they feel more comfortable with their feminine nature than a heterosexual does. Same can be said about lesbians.

Are you that insecure of your masculinity that you have to hate something you don't understand?

Picture this, you are a teenager in school. You are gay. You want to come out, so bad. So bad it hurts....but what stops you is fear. Fear that if you do let it out that for the rest of your school days you will be picked on severely, beaten up, and maybe even disowned by your friends.

You have a crush on the member of the same sex, like anyone else, you want to tell them, or write them a little note.....but you can't. That person may not be gay, and by telling them, you may let your secret out. Theres alot of gay teenagers who are also kicked out of their homes because of this. Just because they are gay, they are kicked out of their own homes by their own parents who have raised them their whole lives.

It is now a fact that "coming out" as in, making it known to everyone that the person is gay or bisexual, is one of the hardest things a person will do in their life.

Many people rely on the bible for backing up their ignorance for homosexuals. I don't want to bash anyones religion, but a book that was written a few thousand years ago, that could have been written by ANYONE is not going to save you in an argument about whether the sexuality of someone is right or wrong. I'm sorry, it's stupid to think it will.

If I approached someone and we talked, and started to become friends, you know. Then the subject comes up, then I tell them im gay or bisexual. What would they think of me? Would it change their opinion? This shouldn't even be an issue, people shouldn't even have to worry about this.

I think it's foolish and childish to make fun of someone based on their sexuality. Many people don't even have a reason to hate gays. They just do it because they're parents, religious leaders, and friends say so. Well, all I have to say is stop being a sheep. Stop blindlessly following the herd to be safe. Stop and think for yourself. Be a wolf, a wolf is sometimes lonely, and an outcast. But the wolf is free. The wolf stalks the herd of cowards in the dark. The Wolf Is An Individual.

I end this with saying, Ignorance may be bliss, but it tears others around you to pieces..

[ayin jade]

We are all born with a tendency to sin.

Should we act on our natural desire to sin?

NO

If you are a homosexual, whether or not anyone thinks they are born this way, then the question still remains: should you act on that desire?

If you are a Christian and truly want to live as the Lord wants us to, then the answer is "no of course I dont want to act on the sinful desire".

If you want to live a happy carefree homosexual lifestyle, then you are not putting Him first in your life. If you are doing this, you need to seriously question your commitment to the Lord.

Im sorry Twilightki, but no matter how greatly you wish to be loved by another person, homosexuality is wrong. It is a sin in His eyes. You cant have the love of another of your same sex and still be commited to the Lord.

Which is first in your life? The Lord or your desire for love?

[Twilightki]

Desire for love. If God really does love me, then he won't see a problem with this.

[kittylover0991]

I wrote something a little while ago, and I'd like some of you to read it. I don't want anyone to get offended at the religious things said in it.

I understand that it is in the Christian religion that homosexuality is wrong, but at least see my point of view here.

Gay people go through alot more than people may think. People don't give thought to this usually because they are the butt of almost every joke and outcasts to heterosexual people, which are considered the "norm". Theres people out there who say that they are fine with gay people as long as they keep it secret or hidden. This is almost as ignorant as the people who bash it. Saying this is like restricting someone to express their love. How would you feel if you couldn't kiss someone or hug someone you love in front of everyone?

It is not a mental illness as some people may think. People in the 70's put homosexuality in that category since it was different from what was accepted by society. People see homosexuals as perverts or child molestors. Just as many heterosexuals molest children as gay people, maybe more. I do not know why, but some people think being gay is a choice. It is most definitely not. It's heterosexuals who say this too, let me ask heterosexuals a question, if one day you decided to be homosexual, you may try it, but I highly doubt you will enjoy it, unless you discovered you are bisexual.

Faggot. I hear this word echoed in the halls of my school everyday. Used loosely, never thinking of an impact it may have on someone. In my book, calling a gay person a "faggot" is just as bad as calling a black person a "nigger". It hurts all the same.

I'm for gay rights and stuff, as if it isn't obvious already. But I never really saw the point in gay pride parades. I asked someone one day...and they told me. Gay pride parades are gay peoples way of expressing themselves, being truly free. Their way of saying, "we're here, and we're not going away.".

I believe theres now new evidence that indicates that homosexuality is due to the number of chromosomes someone has or something like that. Don't quote me on it, but that's what I heard.

As for the limp wristed lisp talking image of males, and the masculine identity of females, these are stereotypes. Never listen to stereotypes. Saying all gay people are like that is like saying Satanists sacrifice virgins and condone drug use. That is a stereotype created partly by the Christian church and rebellious teenagers. Yes, there are quite a bit of gay people like this, but that does not mean every single one is. Most are ordinary people. As for males acting more feminine, I think it's because since they like men, they feel more comfortable with their feminine nature than a heterosexual does. Same can be said about lesbians.

Are you that insecure of your masculinity that you have to hate something you don't understand?

Picture this, you are a teenager in school. You are gay. You want to come out, so bad. So bad it hurts....but what stops you is fear. Fear that if you do let it out that for the rest of your school days you will be picked on severely, beaten up, and maybe even disowned by your friends.

You have a crush on the member of the same sex, like anyone else, you want to tell them, or write them a little note.....but you can't. That person may not be gay, and by telling them, you may let your secret out. Theres alot of gay teenagers who are also kicked out of their homes because of this. Just because they are gay, they are kicked out of their own homes by their own parents who have raised them their whole lives.

It is now a fact that "coming out" as in, making it known to everyone that the person is gay or bisexual, is one of the hardest things a person will do in their life.

Many people rely on the bible for backing up their ignorance for homosexuals. I don't want to bash anyones religion, but a book that was written a few thousand years ago, that could have been written by ANYONE is not going to save you in an argument about whether the sexuality of someone is right or wrong. I'm sorry, it's stupid to think it will.

If I approached someone and we talked, and started to become friends, you know. Then the subject comes up, then I tell them im gay or bisexual. What would they think of me? Would it change their opinion? This shouldn't even be an issue, people shouldn't even have to worry about this.

I think it's foolish and childish to make fun of someone based on their sexuality. Many people don't even have a reason to hate gays. They just do it because they're parents, religious leaders, and friends say so. Well, all I have to say is stop being a sheep. Stop blindlessly following the herd to be safe. Stop and think for yourself. Be a wolf, a wolf is sometimes lonely, and an outcast. But the wolf is free. The wolf stalks the herd of cowards in the dark. The Wolf Is An Individual.

I end this with saying, Ignorance may be bliss, but it tears others around you to pieces..

Hey Twilightki,

Please let me say first and foremost, that I completely respect your opinion, and I also agree that we shoudlnt' go out bashing folks that dont' have the same beliefs as we do.

However, I disagree that homosexuality is genetic. That is like saying evolution is a fact.. in reality, it is only a theory. "Homosexuality is genetic" is merely a theory that is still being tested.

As for being ignorant about homosexuality, I have read a lot, studied enough about, someone on here gave me this wonderful sight abotu why many men and women go into homosexuality.. most of those reasons dealth with how they were treated by their parents(of the opposite gender normally) as a child... I have learned a lot this topic, but still learning more. However, I do know that God's Word condemns it, and I hold to that strongly. I have dealt with it personally with an old friend of mine.. we experimented .. that was before I had any view of homosexuality... after personally dealing with.. I was nothign to do with it and it turns me stomach upside down.

As for being a wolf and not a lamb.. I would advise a different analogy

The bible talks about us being the sheep and the Lord being the shepard. The bible also talks about wolves I think I knwo waht you are talking about, but I woudl rather follow the direction fo GOd thorugh his word and the men he has put in authority over me(religious leaders) than to go off and follow morals that I have discovered, which somenoe before me had probabably already come up with .. which sent them to hell... or helped to lead others there.. I'm sorry...

~Crystal

[Twilightki]

I skimmed through this, and im not sure if this is good or not, so read it for yourself.

im just trying to make it clear, if you think something is wrong, thats fine, its your views, but dont tell someone otherwise, you have no right.

you said in your first post, that theyre trying to shove that acceptance down your throat, well dont be a hypocrite, you're doing the same with your ignorance.

Some things in this world disgust me, but I accept them because I have no right to say they're right or wrong, it isnt my decision.

Edited March 26, 2006 by Matthitjah

[Ovedya]

I skimmed through this, and im not sure if this is good or not, so read it for yourself.

im just trying to make it clear, if you think something is wrong, thats fine, its your views, but dont tell someone otherwise, you have no right.

you said in your first post, that theyre trying to shove that acceptance down your throat, well dont be a hypocrite, you're doing the same with your ignorance.

Some things in this world disgust me, but I accept them because I have no right to say they're right or wrong, it isnt my decision.

So therefore, see no evil, speak not evil, hear no evil, think no evil, right? Since you have "no right" to say that anything is right or wrong, and since it's not your decision, everything must be okay with you. Therefore, pedophilia is okay with you. Therefore, murder, rape, suicide, robbery, and just about every horrable thing imaginable is just okay with you. Is that what I'm supposed to believe from your statements?

There is no "gay gene." The article that you cited is not conclusive. Secondly, if something disgusts a person, or if they are ofended by something, they have every right in the world to express their dislike or offense to it.

[justme7]

If you tell someone they are gay and its wrong, they're not going to listen to you. Whethre you believe it or not, being gay is not a choice, theyre not going to just change. Just think what you think, fine. Everyone is entitle to have their views. Keep your mouth shut about it. You'll eventually get used to it as long as you stop pushing it away.

twilight....are you a believer?? just wondering!

[Twilightki]

In some societies all of those things are condoned.

Your morals are based on your environment, so they are not absolute.

So if you are digusted with someone, you're telling me you're going to go right ahead and tell them? what about Jesus? all of his teachings on kindness? do they mean nothing to you? acceptance?

I like this picture.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Jake...333848341_l.jpg

Edited March 20, 2006 by Twilightki

[justme7]

Hey everyone!

Once again, I am back with another treasure of the public school system of this corrupted world tehe This isn't meant for a debate is to whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong.. however, this post is based on the fact that homosexuality is a sin.. and in my opinion(no offense to anyone... ) is very disgusting...

However, here is the situation. There are two girls within the program at my school(IB.. or International Baccalaurette) where the whole idea of the program is tolerance. Hence, it seems as though I am fighting a losing battle. However, someone posted on one of the threads that tolerance isn't believing that everyone's belief is just as right as your own, but rather, accepting that everyone has a different belief and getting along with them... maybe this has nothing to do with the topic, and yet, it may have everything(the first idea of tolerance is constantly shoved down our throats.. actually, daily). Well.. there are two girls within this program, of whom will remian anonymous, who I recently saw today holding hands in the hallway. I thought nothign of it the first time, but at the end of the day when I saw it again, I asked one of them(the other girl had a different class). She asked me why, and I said I was just curious. Then she said that she was her girlfriend...

help??? These are girls that I have known for the past two years, one of which just had a boyfriend that previous week, and I dont' know what to think. It seems one thing to imagine a guy and a guy or a girl and a girl together.. it is another to see it.. and it is a whole nother story when these two are really close to your heart and you fully diagree with it. It turns my stomach upside down...

I don't know how to act around them anymore.. my initial reaction is disgust.. but what can i do? These are people that I have been and will be forced to work with in groups for the next two and half years. I don't know how to feel around them.. what to think.. or what they say.. they have heard the gospel and openly deny its truths.. actually.. one of them claimed salvation aroudn the beginnnign of last year.. and yet still asked me why I acted a certain way...

I am confused, stunned, and sickened all at the same time.. any ideas?

~Crystal

crystal,

i don't think i have any good advice except to pray for these girls that you have known and cared about. tolerance should mean that we do not fight over our differences...not that we ignore them. obviously you disagree and rightly so. i don't think you have to hide your beliefs. i do think that we ought to treat others respectfully and love our neighbors. it is GOD Himself that draws us to Himself. unfortunately we cannot change or save our friends. the power of prayer however, is huge. if you hold these girls up to the Father and leave it in His hands, you have done no wrong. you can probably talk with them and tell them your concerns, but be careful if it turns into arguing. try to love them while you hate what they are doing.

again, that may be completely unhelpful, but it seems realistic. i hope they come around.

amber.

[kittylover0991]

In some societies all of those things are condoned.

Your morals are based on your environment, so they are not absolute.

So if you are digusted with someone, you're telling me you're going to go right ahead and tell them? what about Jesus? all of his teachings on kindness? do they mean nothing to you? acceptance?

I like this picture.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Jake...333848341_l.jpg

First, my morals are based on God's Word which is "the same yesterday, today and forever".. not on my environment which is based on secular humanism, pro-communism, anti-fundamentalism, and tolerance at the expense of other's beliefs.

If I am disgusted with someone's lifestyle, I am not goign to go right up to them and say that. If they come up to me, as they have many times at my school, and asked me what I as a Christian think of their lifestyle, I will tell them waht the bibles. I woudl tell them that the bible says it is not right for man to lie with mankind as with womankind. One asked me if I was a homophob and I said, as someone has already quoted on here, "Hate the sin, love the sinner". I am not a homophob, I just believe it is wrong... and I dotn' want ot be around it. Yet, I am forced to because of public schools.

However, thankyou for your imput Twilightki

~Crystal

*edited for typos*

Edited March 20, 2006 by kittylover0991