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"we all reach an age of accountability .."

tah, you say you don't accept infant baptism because Scripture doesn't reveal one instance of an infant being baptized. However you believe in "age of accountibility" yet there is no place in Scripture where this idea is discussed. You seem to have a consistancy problem in why you believe what you believe.

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Now i am expecting support on this from SW, Eric and others who also believe in Infant

Baptism (probably 80% of all Christians), including Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Orthodox, etc.

Just for the record, I am not the eric from the above quote, and here it now I do not support infant baptism.


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wow, the night after the celebration of Jesus ressurrection and people are fighting here! Kinda sorry I came in.

I know we all want to do what is right before our Lord and Saviour and we all feel strongly about our children and their need to be saved.

I just hope that we as Christians can study and pray and be each in their own mind fully convinced and in helping to teach or in a discussion of things people are not solid on, maybe we can do it in a caring way, especially on a subject like this. SHowing why we think something and letting others read and think on it also , please without personal attacks, please.

We can show what we believe and then it really is up to the person hearing to pray and make a decision. I am saying we canot force anyone, nor should we. But, to show why we believe something is good to share, Catholic or nonCatholic , remeber we have but one and only one Holy Saviour!

1Peter 3: 15; You must worship Christ as Lord of your life. Always be prepared to give an answer to eeveryone who asks you to give the reeason for the hope you have. But, do this with gentleness and respect.

May the Love of Christ guide us as we have discussion and the peace of Christ ever be with us, foremost in our ways together.

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"we all reach an age of accountability .."

tah, you say you don't accept infant baptism because Scripture doesn't reveal one instance of an infant being baptized. However you believe in "age of accountibility" yet there is no place in Scripture where this idea is discussed. You seem to have a consistancy problem in why you believe what you believe.

Pro 20:11 Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.

is that not saying a child is held accountable...


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tah said:

"is that not saying a child is held accountable...

SW said:

tah, I took your original comment to mean you do not think children are accountable for their sin until they reach some magic age. The verse you quote does not support that idea. In reality, there are no verses that indicate an age of accountibility. We are born under condemnation even before we commit our first sinful act or so says St. Paul.


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horizoneast,

The bottom line is that Meyer taught infant baptism and he taught it because he believed it to be biblical. You continue to rely on a poorly conceived article written by an extremist who appears to be completely unprincipled in his presentation. I cannot call what he is doing scholarship. His article is bad even for a fundamentalist. Sorry you can't discern what Jackson is attempting to do.

As far as your harangue goes, please take a shot at what chrismarc wrote and his biblical support. Since it was his original post don't you think that would be fairer than demanding I resubmit what you would not respond to previously? As I noted up front I don't think it possible to convert views about baptism on an internet forum. I would be happy to refer you to some well written works on the subject if you would like. However I get the impression you feel more comfortable reading those who agree with you and reinforce your views rather than taking on the challenge of learning. I came from where you are now but I learned better thank God.

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hummm,

"Pro 20:11 Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right."

yes we are born corrupt ....

If I have passed the baby stage and become a child knowing right from wrong then God will hold me accountable for my behavior...

just because my parents had me baptised when I was an infant does not make me right with God...

it is not water baptism that saves me...My salvation is a one on one relationship with God..

I do not really know about a baby and its place with God..

in the Old Testament when people sinned against God the whole family was annialated...men women and children...babies...

I do knot know...

If my baby had died before he became a Christian? I do not know...

Does my coventant with Christ cover my child until the day he chooses...

I do not know..

I just remembered a scripture..

When David had the infant that died he made the comment that he would see him again....

perhaps there lies the answer for infants..

perhaps I will go "play in the sandbox" now... :rolleyes:


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tah, there is no doubt that there are real questions about the salvation status of infants, especially covenant infants, especially since it is so painful for us to think that God would sent the little buggers to hell. However, there still is no basis for the so called age of accountibility. If we could know for sure that infants would be assured of going to Heaven before some magic age, it would be better to kill them and guarantee their place in Heaven it seems.

Of course, a similar problem exists for the issue of adults who live and die on this earth and never encounter the gospel. Do those who live in distant places who never heard about Jesus get a free pass into heaven? It seems not to me. Only Christ can save us from eternal punishment and those who don't place their trust in Him, whether they have heard of Him or not, appear doomed to eternal torment.

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horizoneast says:

The bottom line is you cannot defend your position as promised because it has no support in the NT. I have already stated Meyer was a practitioner and advocate of infant baptism but as he outlined there is no authorization for such a practice within Holy Writ and it was resisted until the 3rd Century


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Have you read Romans..

no one will be without excuse before God...

there is not a human being on the face of this earth that God does not know about...

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

God will never be unjust...

infants are Gods problem..I will probably never have an answer for that ...

our place in heaven or hell is our problem...

and we are able to make that choice as a child...

infant baptism is for the parents hearts and the church community not the infants decision...

Pro 20:11 Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.

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