Temple Mount Holy or Un-Holy

[Guest coolwaters]

I find Etzion, a white-bearded man in a blue sunhat and large glasses, with a group of about 20 religious Jews who clearly do not share the opinion of some rabbis that stepping on the Mount is forbidden.

This quote was pulled from a news article posted by tsth. It is something I always knew but never gave it much thought until now. Since the Lord no longer resides in a earthly tabernacle. Should the old site still be considered Holy by Judeo-Christians. Even when the temple is rebuilt and the sacrifices begin once again, I believe it should be respected and reverenced, but should it be considered Holy in the same sense it was described as it was in the Old Testament?

Thoughts?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Coolwaters,

Even when the temple is rebuilt and the sacrifices begin once again,

Can you give me the scriptures which have revealed this to you?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest coolwaters]

Greetings Coolwaters,

Even when the temple is rebuilt and the sacrifices begin once again,

Can you give me the scriptures which have revealed this to you?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Dad E:

I don't have any. It is just presumed that this will take place when the temple is rebuilt. I've read different accounts that attest to the plans for when the temple is rebuilt it will resume the same function it had before the diaspora.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Coolwaters,

I don't have any. It is just presumed

That is my point.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest coolwaters]

Greetings Coolwaters,

I don't have any. It is just presumed

That is my point.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

I knew it was DadE.

So reading between the lines you feel that place no longer is Holy? Correct me if I'm wrong.

My granpappy always told me people should say what they mean and mean what they say.

[Adstar]

I believe the temple mount was holy ground. I believe its holiness ceased when the partition screen in the temple was torn when our Messiah Jesus was killed. I believe that the temple mount will once again be holy Ground once the Messiah Jesus returns to rule from it.

All Praise The Ancient of Days

[BlindSeeker]

Interesting Dad Ernie . . .

I for one do not believe it will be rebuilt, but rather it's concept of being rebuilt is a false milestone for discerning the Lord's soon return . . . .

[George]

Interesting topic!

Personally I know of 3 different organizations trying to build a Temple in Israel. I believe that the fruition of a Temple now could be the coming not of the True Messiah but that of the False messiah -- the Antichrist.

2 Thes. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And this very well could coincide with the reason Jesus said in Matthew 24 -- 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Understanding Daniel and knowing how Antiopheus (spelling) defiled the second temple by sacrificing a pig on the altar -- could this be a picture of what is to come about?

As far as the Temple of Ezekiel being fulfilled by anyone other than Christ -- I wrote a long thread concerning this topic if you want to research out my thoughts on the matter. I believe it's called Ezekiel 40-48 -- Is this the Mill. Temple?

We will wait and see what will happen but this is interesting speculation for believers to ponder,

Your brother in Messiah with much agape love,

George

[nebula]

Yes, a very good question. I've questioned this myself.

The only thing I do know was that the Babylonians could destroy the Temple only because God's glory had left it (Ezekiel was shown this in a vision).

I guess that if the holiness of the Temple was because of God's glory, than the holiness left when God's glory left. The Temple had to be cleansed in order for it to be holy again, as I understand it. (You know about the red heifer?)

When the veil was split, the implication was that eveyone can now have access to the presence of God, right? Whether the spot is still holy or not, through the blood of Jesus the perfect Lamb of God, we can boldly enter the Throne of grace, right?

If the site was still holy, could the Muslims (not covered by the blood of Jesus) survive walking the site like they have?

Just my thoughts.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings All,

I agree with Blindseeker that the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem is a false milestone of the Lord's coming. I have gone into this on other threads of this forum. There are actually many reasons I do not believe it will be built.

1) Subjectively, in my experience, there are events that occur in the Bible, even in my life that comes in 3s. I see Solomon's Temple as Temple #1, then the Nehemiah Temple as #2. I know others have rebuilt (refurbished?) the temple, but not from the ground up in totality. There is no mention made in the NT about a 3rd PHYSICAL temple - EXCEPT for the WORD "naos" as opposed to the word "heiron", both interpreted TEMPLE in English. Naos is the innermost part of the Temple wherein resides the Holy Spirit. This is where the "shikanah glory" rested in the Solomon's Temple. In the NT we see that the word "heiron" is the ENTIRE temple, the surrounds, buildings, walls etc. The "naos" is mentioned in reference to: "Christ's body, the church in its entirety, the individual believer, and every mention of temple in the book of Revelation, primarily referring to the "temple that is now in heaven".

2) I can't overemphasize that the OT is given for "examples", and we see lots of "types and shadows" of what would take place in the NT. Nowhere in the NT is their any mention of rebuilding a 3rd physical temple, and it certainly is NOT one of the signs given us of the Lord's return. We NOW have a building (Temple) NOT MADE BY HUMAN HANDS, of which the world does not know.

3) Jesus once remarked as he looked at the Temple and made the comment "No stone shall be left unturned."

4) Read carefully the following, particularly at the word "consummation":

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

When the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. "sacrifice and oblation ceased", it would remain desolate EVEN until the "consummation", that is until God's full plan of redemption is completed, and that is WHEN the Lord makes His second advent.

5) As for the AoD that sits in the most Holy place - What IS the most Holy place? Is it not YOU?

1 Cor 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple (NAOS) of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple (NAOS) of God is holy, which temple ye are.

What becomes an abomination in those last days? Is it not the "Church of God" that becomes a part of the world as the Beast begins waging war against the saints? Yes! And it is this very church that it is said:

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. (THE PRIMARY "SPIRIT" OF THE LAST DAYS CHURCH)

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (THIS IS NOT THE RAPTURE AS SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK, BUT IT IS THE CALLING OUT OF THE SAINTS OF GOD FROM THE APOSTATE CHURCH/WORLD GOVERNMENT WHICH WILL BE SET UP AT THAT TIME)

So if those things don't give you pause to think about the temple in the last days, I don't know what else could.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie