Tongues what do you think? (MERGED TOPIC)

[tah]

tah,

just so i understand, what do you see tongues used for in these days

your exapmles can be all your opinion of course, if you want, but backing it up with scripture would help open the mind a little, for me...

i'm not trying to be difficult, its just that if you can prove to me through scripture that tongues are still in use today, or any of the gifts for that matter, i'll drop it.........

crabs><>

I cannot prove to you that tongues is still an active gift of the Spirit..

You already have all the scripture and you do not believe..

there is certainly nothing I or anyone else can say that is going to change your mind...

Only God can do that if He so desires to ....He does not gift all with tongues....

believing or not is between you and God...alone....that's were I found my answer...

[crab3]

Ahh i see,

it looks as if you are stuck where you believe as well, i have proven above, a couple of times, why tongues stopped being 'gifted' by God a long time ago. Its not really a matter of salvation i guess, i'll leave you to your tongues, you can leave me to telling the truth.............

peace

crabs><>

[Guest Daave]

Tongues carries a lot of baggage along with it these days. I , like Israelsmiles, can see that Paul had some specific issues to address, and the final statement in chapter 14...forbid not to speak with tongues; fits in quite well for the church difficulties he was working with. Paul in chapter 12 indicates quite plainly that not all speak in tongues by the way his retorical question is phrased.

Also as Israelsmiles says, unknown tongues is not unique to christianity. A little indepenant research, if one is not afraid of the truth, will bear that out.

After being associated with the "tongues" crowd as an active participant, I was led off into other strange doctrins and practices that are not only unbiblical, but was set up to swallow other of the next newest "spirit led" foolishness.

Are tongues acknowleged in scriptures? Yep. Are we encouraged to seek to speak in tongues, Nope.

Do scriptures acknowlege that Spirit interceeds for us with grownings that cannot be uttered when we don't know what or how to pray? Yes

Tongues messes with lives, and with sound docrtine. Tongues brings in pride and helps to establish a spritual pecking order.

Tongues shifts our focus from Jesus to the "Spirit" and following the "Spirit" rather than Jesus.

Tongues turns well meaning christians into spirit junkies, waiting for the next fix, a little bigger, a little higher, and bringing new converts into the same mindless fantasy. Being knocked down, in the spirit, getting drunk, in the spirit, being pressed to the floor, in the spirit, swimming in the river of life, in the spirit.....and I can go on and on and on going deeper and deeper, the newest, best, deepest, strongest and longest.............It was a lie, and I bought into it.

When I finely excaped the captivity and the natural progression of the "being led by the Spirt" trap, and came home to Jesus and the simplicity of the gospel, I wept. I was so thankful for Jesus not giving up on me in my foolishness. He never would have I know, but none the less I was so thankful that he did not.

Do you speak in tongues? I'm so sorry to hear that, I know that the competition is fierce.

Peter, telling others of what happend in the house of Cornelius said this in Acts 11:15. And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. When did tongues stop? Shortly after they started. They were for a sign, and God used them for a time.

Do you not speak in tongues, don't seek them. We are no where in scripture told we should seek them. If God needs to use them again and you are the one in the position he needs? You probably won't know it if it happens, the hearers will.

Ex-tongue talking brother in Christ,

Daave

[Mark777]

Daave:

"Do scriptures acknowlege that Spirit interceeds for us with grownings that cannot be uttered when we don't know what or how to pray? Yes"

Mark777: Daave, are you saying this is referring to tongues? It says "...with groanings that cannot be uttered." If you cannot utter them how can they be tongues?

Mark

[CSLewis]

What is a documented salvation?

I thought Christ saved people when He died on the cross?

[CSLewis]

Jesus Christ is the author and giver of salvation. The early church discipled the new converts they didn't get a quick head count of the newly "saved" call Guiness I think we have a new record! Aids is killing the entire African nation but we are concerned with getting them to say some words so we can get more money for our "ministry" which seems to care more about proselityzing christianity to Africa than loving them and providing care.

[crab3]

'tah, hr.jr.'

agreeing to disagree, humbly.

maybe next round right.......... someone is bound to start a similar thread.......

in that light, your questions are good ones. my father in law is a preacher, i asked him about it, at the beginning of these replies of mine. he's been a preacher for over 30 years, his daughter is a missionary, and he supports a couple different folks on trips to africa right now from his church. i can't answer these new quesitons you pose, but can say, AMEN to that, tonues or no tongues, i am all about everyone hearing the gospel, its enough to make me want to go to africa myself sometimes. my father in law did have a peice of information that comes in handy at this juncture, even if a person is one that 'speaks tongues,' they still have to take classes on the language of whatever part of the world they are going to.

why is that???

getting away from scripture like this, i don't like, since we've beat scripture to death here i think, a few questions 'out of the book,' will be ok.

crabs><>

[germanJoy]

It was impossible for the Apostles to have had the entire Word of God. They may have had pieces, but the entire Law of the Lord wasn

Edited May 31, 2006 by germanJoy

[Arthur Durnan]

I speak in tongues, ie, languages, all day long! Touches of English, French, Arabic, what have you? However - and this precisely where charismatics miss the boat - there is no such thing in the entire Holy Bible of anyone at any time speaking in a "holy gibberish" or a "heavenly mish-mash". Even ANGELS, when they spoke, did so in a known, understood, earthly & national dialect! Why do some kind folk insist on confusing the issue? Maybe they have a different agenda? Hmm.

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[crab3]

germanjoy,

i am not meaning when John documented revelation, think not of his writing it, but of his recieving it. once God had got the information to him, he needed to give not another single word of information to mankind, revelation was the last.

also, you don't beleive that the Bible is whole, i think many here, i among them would strongly disagree with you. God definately had a hand in the compilation of the Book. remember 'do not add or take away,' are you implying that someone should have, or that someone may do so yet.

also, you kind of have to forget all the titles of the bible. it wasn't like God was casting lots for the Book, 'ok moses, you got the first two books, then later, you four document His life, after that Paul, how bout you put in some of your letters, then i'll give the revelation to John and we'll call it a day.....'

the titles, i.e. corinthians, genesis, revelation, were added later for simplicity sake, the same with the chapters broken up like they are.

so yea, i'm not talking about the completion of a Book, or the finish of the compilation of the same, i'm talking about the last word recieved from God, in roughly 90a.d. God gave John the last bit of information he needed to.

something else to consider, how many times after Corinthians do you hear the term tongues mentioned........

crabs><>