Levels of Hell

[Ovedya]

Neither of those verses describe "levels of hell."

Sorry. They just don;t. I don't know any other way to put it.

[HAZARD]

Neither of those verses describe "levels of hell."

Sorry. They just don;t. I don't know any other way to put it.

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If a man will be judged according to his workes is out of your mindsett then that is your problem not anyone elses.

If a man stole a loaf of bread he will be punished accordingly.

If a man raped and mutilated a small child he will be punished accordingly.

Can you not see the difference???? God said we will be punished according to our works.

I would not want to get a life sentance for stealing a loaf of bread. I would expect one for raping a small child.

There is a difference between punishment and two-fold punishment, thats why two fold is mentioned in Scripture.

Now I cant draw a picture for you to explain this any clearer, so lets hope you have enough maturity to understand this much? God expects this of His followers. We are not to be fairly land whispy believers in all is good and all is righteous according to fundamental Christianity. He has laid down strict laws and He expects His followers to adhere to them.

[Ovedya]

Neither of those verses describe "levels of hell."

Sorry. They just don;t. I don't know any other way to put it.

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If a man will be judged according to his workes is out of your mindsett then that is your problem not anyone elses.

If a man stole a loaf of bread he will be punished accordingly.

If a man raped and mutilated a small child he will be punished accordingly.

Can you not see the difference???? God said we will be punished according to our works.

I would not want to get a life sentance for stealing a loaf of bread. I would expect one for raping a small child.

There is a difference between punishment and two-fold punishment, thats why two fold is mentioned in Scripture.

Now I cant draw a picture for you to explain this any clearer, so lets hope you have enough maturity to understand this much? God expects this of His followers. We are not to be fairly land whispy believers in all is good and all is righteous according to fundamental Christianity. He has laid down strict laws and He expects His followers to adhere to them.

I see. So for some people hell will only be temporary punishment for minor sins. Can you support that with Scripture?

[EricH]

its really simple... everlasting fire is merely the name of the second death. scholars have already found this to be so...

Obviously not all scholars.

[RND]

Nowhere in Holy Writ does it teach "soul-sleep," "annihilation of being," or "cessation of existence." These are inane tenets of false cults. Inane - and dangerous. "Perish" in the Greek never means "destruction of existence." It means literally to be "rendered useless for that for which it was originally intended." Quite a DIFFERENT matter altogether. Stay clear of all cults!

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Do the Scriptures teach that the soul is immortal? No. Remember, the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Satan told the lie, "...you shall not surely die."

Only Jesus is immortal.

1 Timothy 6:16

Who (Jesus) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Do the Scriptures teach that the soul is eternal? Yes, but not without Jesus Christ.

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Others believe their loved ones who have died are not dead at all, but instead live in other places under varied conditions. Most world religions teach that the dead become spirits or ghosts.

Does it really matter? Yes, immeasureably so. The Bible says that people who misunderstand the subject of death will almost assuredly be deceived by the Devil on other issues including the final Battle of Armageddon.

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Revelation 16:14

There is no room for guessing on this topic. You owe it to yourself to investigate this website and discover what the Bible says really happens when a person dies and know the truth about death.

Uncle Joe and Aunt Ella aren't "looking" down on us, they are resting in the grave. Just as King David is doing.

Edited July 11, 2006 by EricH

[RND]

"Perish" in the Greek never means "destruction of existence."

These are all the results searched for in the online Strong's Concordance

Result of search for "Perish":

622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

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684. apoleia ap-o'-li-a from a presumed derivative of 622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):--damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

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853. aphanizo af-an-id'-zo from 852; to render unapparent, i.e. (actively) consume (becloud), or (passively) disappear (be destroyed):-- corrupt, disfigure, perish, vanish away.

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1311. diaphtheiro dee-af-thi'-ro from 1225 and 5351; to rot thoroughly, i.e. (by implication) to ruin (passively, decay utterly, figuratively, pervert):--corrupt, destroy, perish.

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1498. eien i'-ane optative (i.e. English subjunctive) present of 1510 (including the other person); might (could, would, or should) be:--mean, + perish, should be, was, were.

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1519. eis ice a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases:--(abundant-)ly, against, among, as, at, (back-)ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for (intent, purpose), fore, + forth, in (among, at, unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-)on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore(-unto), throughout, til, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-)until(-to), ...ward, (where-)fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively).

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1570. ekthetos ek'-thet-os from 1537 and a derivative of 5087; put out, i.e. exposed to perish:--cast out.

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2704. katphtheiro kat-af-thi'-ro from 2596 and 5351; to spoil entirely, i.e. (literally) to destroy; or (figuratively) to deprave; --corrupt, utterly perish.

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3928. parerchomai par-er'-khom-ahee from 3844 and 2064; to come near or aside, i.e. to approach (arrive), go by (or away), (figuratively) perish or neglect, (causative) avert:--come (forth), go, pass (away, by, over), past, transgress.

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4595. sepo say'-po apparently a primary verb; to putrefy, i.e. (figuratively) perish:--be corrupted.

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4881. sunapollumi soon-ap-ol'-loo-mee from 4862 and 622; to destroy (middle voice or passively, be slain) in company with:--perish with.

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5356. phthora fthor-ah' from 5351; decay, i.e. ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively):--corruption, destroy, perish.

I would say that indeed the word perish means just that, perish. The soul is not immortal. If it was, then Jesus Christ died in vain on the cross, since one way or other we will live forever.

It is shocking that a pastor would be sucked into such a false pagan teaching that has no basis in the Biblical record.

[HAZARD]

Neither of those verses describe "levels of hell."

Sorry. They just don;t. I don't know any other way to put it.

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If a man will be judged according to his workes is out of your mindsett then that is your problem not anyone elses.

If a man stole a loaf of bread he will be punished accordingly.

If a man raped and mutilated a small child he will be punished accordingly.

Can you not see the difference???? God said we will be punished according to our works.

I would not want to get a life sentance for stealing a loaf of bread. I would expect one for raping a small child.

There is a difference between punishment and two-fold punishment, thats why two fold is mentioned in Scripture.

Now I cant draw a picture for you to explain this any clearer, so lets hope you have enough maturity to understand this much? God expects this of His followers. We are not to be fairly land whispy believers in all is good and all is righteous according to fundamental Christianity. He has laid down strict laws and He expects His followers to adhere to them.

I see. So for some people hell will only be temporary punishment for minor sins. Can you support that with Scripture?

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Hell is not temporary, it is eternal. I never said Hell is a temporary place of punishment? You are infering this.

Jesus taught that it would be more tolerable for some in the day of judgment than for others (Matt. 11:20-24); that some would be found to be twofold more a child of Hell than others, and will recieve "greater damnation" (Matt. 23:14-15); and that every man will be judged according to his works (Rev. 20:11-15). Whats so hard to understand about his? Why do Christians have to nit pick everything to pieces and try to make it fit their pet theories?

Saints will be rewarded according to their works (Matt. 10:41-42; 16:27; Romans 14:10-12; 2 Cor. 5:10-11; Rev. 22:12). So these Scriptures show that there will be degrees of punishment in Hell according to sins comitted, and rewards in Heaven according to our works, the good things done in our lives.

Is it so hard to understand that some will be punished more serverly for the major sins than those who comitted lesser sins. And some will recieve greater reward for the way they lived their lives than others. All unrepented sin will be punished in eternal hell. Would God punish a thief as serverly as a murdering dictator such as Hitler?

[Old Timer]

2Tim 4:8 Finally, [there] is laid up for me the victor's wreath [or, crown] of righteousness which the Lord, the Righteous Judge, will give to me in that Day, but not only to me only, but unto all them also that love His appearing.

Christ is called

[RND]

Is it so hard to understand that some will be punished more serverly for the major sins than those who comitted lesser sins. And some will recieve greater reward for the way they lived their lives than others. All unrepented sin will be punished in eternal hell. Would God punish a thief as serverly as a murdering dictator such as Hitler?

It is unbiblical to suggest that there is a greater level of punishment for the soul that sins more than another.

Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The message is clear. All have sinned. All souls that sin will die. Eternal life is granted as a gift from God through his son, Jesus Christ.

The soul that fails to repent shall die. Period.

There is no probation, pergatory, or indulgences to worry about and the notion of such is also unbiblical.

[HAZARD]

Is it so hard to understand that some will be punished more serverly for the major sins than those who comitted lesser sins. And some will recieve greater reward for the way they lived their lives than others. All unrepented sin will be punished in eternal hell. Would God punish a thief as serverly as a murdering dictator such as Hitler?

It is unbiblical to suggest that there is a greater level of punishment for the soul that sins more than another.

Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The message is clear. All have sinned. All souls that sin will die. Eternal life is granted as a gift from God through his son, Jesus Christ.

The soul that fails to repent shall die. Period.

There is no probation, pergatory, or indulgences to worry about and the notion of such is also unbiblical.

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No offense meant here. I never once mentioned probation, pergatory, or indulgences, and I do not believe in them at all in any way. As a free moral agent you can believe what you like. I intend to believe what Jesus taught and not ther pet theories of men.

Jesus taught that it would be more tolerable for some in the day of judgment than for others (Matt. 11:20-24); that some would be found to be twofold more a child of Hell than others, and will recieve "greater damnation" (Matt. 23:14-15); and that every man will be judged according to his works (Rev. 20:11-15).

Saints will be rewarded according to their works (Matt. 10:41-42; 16:27; Romans 14:10-12; 2 Cor. 5:10-11; Rev. 22:12). So these Scriptures show that there will be degrees of punishment in Hell according to sins comitted, and rewards in Heaven according to our works, the good things done in our lives.