Who will Save the Sheep that are being taught a different line of Gosp

[Snow4JC]

Greetings~

RE: Who will save the Sheep that are being taught a different line of Gospel?

Now to explain this: there are many people in churches that are being taught a different line of the Bible. Pastors/Priests(man) have been sharing their opinions to GOD'S people over the years.

Some people don't even know what the word "Discernment" means, let alone know how to use it. Actually these people have never heard of the word to begin with.

Too many of these people, prayer is something they recite by heart, not by the flow of their hearts and mind.

Thirty years of being cared for and thinking what they know is right!

Man spreads the Word and GOD frees His People. Will He get to this folks,"Come out of there, My People" before it is too late?

Snow4JC

[EricH]

Greetings~

RE: Who will save the Sheep that are being taught a different line of Gospel?

Now to explain this: there are many people in churches that are being taught a different line of the Bible. Pastors/Priests(man) have been sharing their opinions to GOD'S people over the years.

Some people don't even know what the word "Discernment" means, let alone know how to use it. Actually these people have never heard of the word to begin with.

Too many of these people, prayer is something they recite by heart, not by the flow of their hearts and mind.

Thirty years of being cared for and thinking what they know is right!

Man spreads the Word and GOD frees His People. Will He get to this folks,"Come out of there, My People" before it is too late?

Snow4JC

To what are you referring exactly?

[Abigailwc]

Greetings~

RE: Who will save the Sheep that are being taught a different line of Gospel?

Now to explain this: there are many people in churches that are being taught a different line of the Bible. Pastors/Priests(man) have been sharing their opinions to GOD'S people over the years.

Some people don't even know what the word "Discernment" means, let alone know how to use it. Actually these people have never heard of the word to begin with.

Too many of these people, prayer is something they recite by heart, not by the flow of their hearts and mind.

Thirty years of being cared for and thinking what they know is right!

Man spreads the Word and GOD frees His People. Will He get to this folks,"Come out of there, My People" before it is too late?

Snow4JC

Do not underestimate the power of God. Nothing stops Him. No false teaching will stop Him from reaching us, from shedding His Light on us. He is a righteous God and all of us will have been given the clear choice to choose Him or not. Once in front of Him, nobody will have an excuse for not having chosen Him as our Father. He is full of love for us and will make sure we know He is real.

[st. Worm]

Snow4JC quote:

Too many of these people, prayer is something they recite by heart, not by the flow of their hearts and mind.

SW:

So if I recite the Lord's prayer or even Luther's morning prayer instead of some mindless disjointed prattle of my own, my prayer is no good and not heard by God? Indeed, what are you referring to?

[David from New Bern]

We have created the undershepherd role into something that was never meant to be. Nearly all the denominational and church structures default to a Pastor endoctrinates and people follow or never explore their own sanctification. Discipling is not brain washing or creating a totally dependent relationship. Discipling is creating students of the Word and firsthand consumers of the faith. The first cuple years of an infants life we feed them but eventually they need to pick up the spoon and eventually learn where the kitchen is and prepare a meal for themselves. By the way have you notice that people don't cook at home like they use to...and our physical health is beginning to show it. There is a hidden message in that last line.

[st. Worm]

QUOTE:

We have created the undershepherd role into something that was never meant to be. Nearly all the denominational and church structures default to a Pastor endoctrinates and people follow or never explore their own sanctification. Discipling is not brain washing or creating a totally dependent relationship. Discipling is creating students of the Word and firsthand consumers of the faith. The first cuple years of an infants life we feed them but eventually they need to pick up the spoon and eventually learn where the kitchen is and prepare a meal for themselves. By the way have you notice that people don't cook at home like they use to...and our physical health is beginning to show it. There is a hidden message in that last line.

SW:

This probably brings more questions than answers. Btw, what or whose trendy book are these ideas from?

[David from New Bern]

QUOTE:

We have created the undershepherd role into something that was never meant to be. Nearly all the denominational and church structures default to a Pastor endoctrinates and people follow or never explore their own sanctification. Discipling is not brain washing or creating a totally dependent relationship. Discipling is creating students of the Word and firsthand consumers of the faith. The first cuple years of an infants life we feed them but eventually they need to pick up the spoon and eventually learn where the kitchen is and prepare a meal for themselves. By the way have you notice that people don't cook at home like they use to...and our physical health is beginning to show it. There is a hidden message in that last line.

SW:

This probably brings more questions than answers. Btw, what or whose trendy book are these ideas from?

WORM...all original material here...what question does it create in your mind and I will try to address it.

[st. Worm]

quote:

WORM...all original material here...what question does it create in your mind and I will try to address it.

SW:

How does one "explore their own sanctification?" What does that mean? Isn't this more like something we might hear on an Oprah Winfrey show on religion?

Why is it assumed that the pastor is indoctrinating parishioners? The pastor represents Christ to his flock dispensing Word and Sacrament and absolving sins (or that's what he should be doing).

What does it mean for sinners to "prepare a meal for themselves"? We are fed by God's Word and are truly dependent on that. We can prepare nothing ourselves.

How can you make so many general statements about Christ's church?

Why do I think this is just one more church and denomination bashing post?

[David from New Bern]

quote:

WORM...all original material here...what question does it create in your mind and I will try to address it.

SW:

How does one "explore their own sanctification?" What does that mean? Isn't this more like something we might hear on an Oprah Winfrey show on religion?

Why is it assumed that the pastor is indoctrinating parishioners? The pastor represents Christ to his flock dispensing Word and Sacrament and absolving sins (or that's what he should be doing).

What does it mean for sinners to "prepare a meal for themselves"? We are fed by God's Word and are truly dependent on that. We can prepare nothing ourselves.

How can you make so many general statements about Christ's church?

Why do I think this is just one more church and denomination bashing post?

Mr. Worm...you pose 5 questions...here is my response in the same order

1. Sanctification is not a passive event it takes participation...We participate in our sanctification...The Holy Spirit empowers us...

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.2 Peter 1:5-9NKJV

2. I was speaking of unhealthy church situations where the pastor tells you how to feel and behave and does nothing to encourage you in private study habits and attempts to be a substitute for the Holy Spirit for you by not trusting the Spirit to teach you through the Word unaided by pastoral authority (whatever that is in his/her mind). And the additional comment response...Jesus was the once and for all sacrament, I don't need a clergy to absolve my sins. I need only his leadership to examine my own life and allow the Holy Spirit to convict me.

3. "Preparing a meal for themselves" is not the perfect euphenism, but what I meant was the average person will not read and study the Bible for themselves and thus have stunted growth. Proof of that is that the average Christian can't lead his/her own family is a meaningful Bible study. The pastor has to feed and regurgitate on Sunday morning. When we need to be eating all week long or live an anemic testimony.

4 and 5. I can speak this way because I am in the church and love the church and therefore I speak the truth with love. Bashing is a cutting remark intending to lower someone or something and give oneself the appearance of superiority. I speak only as one with a lot of church expereince and the frustration of an individual trying to be a tool of God to speak the message that might alert someone to the truth of God's expectations of us.

[Christian]

By the way have you notice that people don't cook at home like they use to...and our physical health is beginning to show it. There is a hidden message in that last line.

Hello David,

Would you be implying that our need for personal Scriptural reading,study, and prayer have been replaced with a lot of "on the go" and "weekend warrior" types of teaching/instruction that people just don't take the time to question, and consume it blindly?

Blessings,

in His service

-CC-