Who teaches you?

[Christian]

I have not taken this verse out of context unknowingly, but instead I find it very intruiging in it's message.

What is your opinion of it's statement?

1 John 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,

and ye need not that any man teach you:

but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,

and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

in Christ,

-CC-

[Openly Curious]

I have not taken this verse out of context unknowingly, but instead I find it very intruiging in it's message.

What is your opinion of it's statement?

1 John 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,

and ye need not that any man teach you:

but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,

and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

in Christ,

-CC-

The Spirit of the Heavenly Father for I am His child and there is another verse I can't recall where it is at at the moment that say "They shall all be taught of God"

OC

[Marnie]

I would balance that verse out with this passage in Ephesians 4;

7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.

11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,

12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

We can rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us as we study the Word, and we can exercise the gifts of the Spirit and so on, but there is a time for us to come under the ministry of G-d's servants.

[jamie]

We are all ministers with unique giftings, we should each have something to pour in the others cup, so to speak.

This is what makes a healthy body, with the holy Spirit teaching us through Gods written words using whomever He so choses to teach, exhort .....

[Openly Curious]

I would balance that verse out with this passage in Ephesians 4;

7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.

11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,

12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

We can rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us as we study the Word, and we can exercise the gifts of the Spirit and so on, but there is a time for us to come under the ministry of G-d's servants.

yes Marnie

I would agree the same Spirit of the Heavenly Father moves and teaches us all and we are able to learn from others and should. thanks for intejecting this needed balance. we are all still taught of God in all of this because it is his word we learn of Him at and His Spirit who reveals or makes known that word unto us. I think in the natural we needed man to teach us meaning our parents were used. but in the spiritual family we need God and His minister's to teach us. Which is done by the Spirit of the Heavenly Father above. Which the verse had said we don't need a man to teach us cause we have an anointing of God. So that is why I say what I do here blessings to you

OC

[germanJoy]

I have not taken this verse out of context unknowingly, but instead I find it very intruiging in it's message.

What is your opinion of it's statement?

1 John 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,

and ye need not that any man teach you:

but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,

and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

in Christ,

-CC-

In order to properly understand a particular verse, we need to look at the whole context not just part. Starting from verse 18 of 1 John Chapter 2, John was warning his children (his disciples) of the antichrist spirit. This spirit has crept into the church and John wanted them to be vigilant and not be taught by anyone except by the Holy Spirit that abides in them. Thus, by saying "ye need not that any man teach you", John meant the man with the antichrist spirit. That is the full meaning of 1 John 2:27. It does not, I repeat, it does not apply to the teachers (who have the Holy Spirit) in the five-fold ministry.

Edited June 20, 2006 by germanJoy

[Openly Curious]

I have not taken this verse out of context unknowingly, but instead I find it very intruiging in it's message.

What is your opinion of it's statement?

1 John 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,

and ye need not that any man teach you:

but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,

and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

in Christ,

-CC-

In order to properly understand a particular verse, we need to look at the whole context not just part. Starting from verse 18 of 1 John Chapter 2, John was warning his children (his disciples) of the antichrist spirit. This spirit has crept into the church and John wanted them to be vigilant and not be taught by anyone except by the Holy Spirit that abides in them. Thus, by saying "ye need not that any man teach you", John meant the man with the antichrist spirit. That is the full meaning of 1 John 2:27. It does not, I repeat, it does not apply to the teachers (who have the Holy Spirit) in the five-fold ministry.

The anti-christ spirit is every spirit apart from the true spirit of the living God the Father. Let God be true and every man a liar. The anti-christ spirit which is Satan himself the prince of the power of the air is in the world and has been since the serpent in the garden came and brought temptation to mankind this spirit is in the world and in the church it manifest in the flesh just as Holy Spirit of God will in Jesus Christ is come in the flesh manifest itself in the believers life it is called walking in the Spririt as we confess Jesus is in us the hope of glory. Even the word teaches us that Satan himself transforms and an angel of light and also "his ministers" transforms into minister's of righteousness and these minister's do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh and says this is the anti-christ spirit. And those that do this do not practice nor advocate a changed lifestyle in the church. This is anti-christ spirit.

The anti-christ spirit promotes the natural man the old man unregenerate before God the Spirit of the Father the Spirit of truth promotes and advocates Jesus Christ come in the flesh and brings a change to one's life called being made a new creature in Christ Jesus also the new man created in Christ Jesus. The anti-christ spirit which is satan wants us to stay in that old nature we were born with from our parents the old nature earthly identity in the family of the earth. But Spirit of our Heavenly Father wants us to identify with His nature the divine nature that can be imparted to a person who wants to be born again hence the spiritual family of God and be taught of God in His ways hence a new family spiritual in nature, one new man, the new creature the divine nature of God residing in us. Christ in us the hope of glory is the mystery revealed or made known unto mankind anything apart from this is anti-christ spirit the spirit of the devil himself.

[Marnie]

I would agree the same Spirit of the Heavenly Father moves and teaches us all and we are able to learn from others and should. thanks for intejecting this needed balance. we are all still taught of God in all of this because it is his word we learn of Him at and His Spirit who reveals or makes known that word unto us. I think in the natural we needed man to teach us meaning our parents were used. but in the spiritual family we need God and His minister's to teach us. Which is done by the Spirit of the Heavenly Father above. Which the verse had said we don't need a man to teach us cause we have an anointing of God. So that is why I say what I do here blessings to you

OC

[Guest Car54WhereRU]

The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. The Ethiopian eunuch read the scriptures and Philip asked if he understood what he read. His reply was, "how can I except some man guide me." The Lord will use men to teach you things. How do your children learn? From watching you (Seems they pick up the bad stuff more ). But the only way you will understand stuff is if God opens your eyes. Psalm 119:18 says open mine eyes that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law and then verse 130 says the entrance of thy words giveth light, it giveth understanding to the simple. The reason alot of people say that they "only follow the Lord and let him teach them" is cause they are rebellious and will not submit to the authority of a pastor in a local church.

[EricH]

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

John 16:13 NASB

Any truth that I come to must come from the Holy Spirit, since He is the one who has been uniquely tasked by the Father to do that in the lives of believers. However, as Marnie pointed out above, the Holy Spirt supernaturally gifts individuals in the body of Christ to carry out this function. Thus it is ultimately the Spirit that teaches, but we are the vessels He sues to accomplish this, when the body is functionlng properly