Who teaches you?

[Openly Curious]

The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. The Ethiopian eunuch read the scriptures and Philip asked if he understood what he read. His reply was, "how can I except some man guide me." The Lord will use men to teach you things. How do your children learn? From watching you (Seems they pick up the bad stuff more ). But the only way you will understand stuff is if God opens your eyes. Psalm 119:18 says open mine eyes that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law and then verse 130 says the entrance of thy words giveth light, it giveth understanding to the simple. The reason alot of people say that they "only follow the Lord and let him teach them" is cause they are rebellious and will not submit to the authority of a pastor in a local church.

Hello Car54WhereRu,

I do not mean to get off topic here but you say something in your last sentence that I been wondering about of course I got my own thoughts but it do not hurt to get others opinions right. You said the reason alot of people say they only follow the Lord and let him teach them is cause they are rebellious and will not submit to the authority of a pastor in a local church.

My question is how far do that pastorial autority go. I mean I seen pastor who want to control every aspect of your life. I think it go to far sometime and can tear homes apart cause pastors get in the middle of things. I mean the word say husband is head of household not the pastor of church but have experienced such pastor before and do not think it biblical of them to go beyond the bounds of the church. But what i've seen is pastor's ursurping the authority of individuals homes and they have not been rightly given that place of authority and to me it is an abuse of their position to push they wills and desires upon you within this manner i mention here.

i have struggles from past that do mess with my head trusting those in authority among other issues going on at the same time but I am willing to submit to teachings of local church if they are truth but if I can't go in and out the church finding green patures and still waters to eat and drink because they want to make you their personal servants well I just can't find peace in that and think pastor's put more on people than what God requires of them to. Am I off base or do I got some validity to what I asking. The churches in my area are terrible in this avenue. And most of them are full of women and not many men. Which make me think as scripture say in timothy about silly women being taken captive. Do the pastor's get such a foothold on the women in they marriages that they follow the pastors and leave husband behind making pastor soul authority or dictator in their lives. I just don't want to be a silly women but balanced.

thanks

OC

[Christian]

Any truth that I come to must come from the Holy Spirit, since He is the one who has been uniquly tasked by the Father to do that in the lives of believers. However, as Marnie pointed out above, the Holy Spirt supernaturally gifts individuals in the body of Christ to carry out this function. Thus it is ultimately the Spirit that teaches, but we are the vessels He sues to accomplish this, when the body is functionlng properly

And therein lies the caution to believers. We are to discern truth from the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures, but all too often seek the "majority opinion". We accept the "credentials" of those who teach us as being "supernaturally gifted" all too readily without testing those spirits. John was warning against the intrusion of false teachers, even those coming in "Christ's name", instructing us to hold fast to our annointing and revelation from the Holy Spirit first and foremost.

in Christ,

-CC-

[Christian]

*bump*

[Openly Curious]

The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. The Ethiopian eunuch read the scriptures and Philip asked if he understood what he read. His reply was, "how can I except some man guide me." The Lord will use men to teach you things. How do your children learn? From watching you (Seems they pick up the bad stuff more ). But the only way you will understand stuff is if God opens your eyes. Psalm 119:18 says open mine eyes that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law and then verse 130 says the entrance of thy words giveth light, it giveth understanding to the simple. The reason alot of people say that they "only follow the Lord and let him teach them" is cause they are rebellious and will not submit to the authority of a pastor in a local church.

Hello Car54WhereRu,

I do not mean to get off topic here but you say something in your last sentence that I been wondering about of course I got my own thoughts but it do not hurt to get others opinions right. You said the reason alot of people say they only follow the Lord and let him teach them is cause they are rebellious and will not submit to the authority of a pastor in a local church.

My question is how far do that pastorial autority go. I mean I seen pastor who want to control every aspect of your life. I think it go to far sometime and can tear homes apart cause pastors get in the middle of things. I mean the word say husband is head of household not the pastor of church but have experienced such pastor before and do not think it biblical of them to go beyond the bounds of the church. But what i've seen is pastor's ursurping the authority of individuals homes and they have not been rightly given that place of authority and to me it is an abuse of their position to push they wills and desires upon you within this manner i mention here.

i have struggles from past that do mess with my head trusting those in authority among other issues going on at the same time but I am willing to submit to teachings of local church if they are truth but if I can't go in and out the church finding green patures and still waters to eat and drink because they want to make you their personal servants well I just can't find peace in that and think pastor's put more on people than what God requires of them to. Am I off base or do I got some validity to what I asking. The churches in my area are terrible in this avenue. And most of them are full of women and not many men. Which make me think as scripture say in timothy about silly women being taken captive. Do the pastor's get such a foothold on the women in they marriages that they follow the pastors and leave husband behind making pastor soul authority or dictator in their lives. I just don't want to be a silly women but balanced.

thanks

OC

[Christian]

Reposting my response, buried due to the Troll bump

Any truth that I come to must come from the Holy Spirit, since He is the one who has been uniquly tasked by the Father to do that in the lives of believers. However, as Marnie pointed out above, the Holy Spirt supernaturally gifts individuals in the body of Christ to carry out this function. Thus it is ultimately the Spirit that teaches, but we are the vessels He sues to accomplish this, when the body is functionlng properly

And therein lies the caution to believers. We are to discern truth from the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures, but all too often seek the "majority opinion". We accept the "credentials" of those who teach us as being "supernaturally gifted" all too readily without testing those spirits. John was warning against the intrusion of false teachers, even those coming in "Christ's name", instructing us to hold fast to our annointing and revelation from the Holy Spirit first and foremost.

in Christ,

-CC-

[germanJoy]

I have not taken this verse out of context unknowingly, but instead I find it very intruiging in it's message.

What is your opinion of it's statement?

1 John 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,

and ye need not that any man teach you:

but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,

and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

in Christ,

-CC-

In order to properly understand a particular verse, we need to look at the whole context not just part. Starting from verse 18 of 1 John Chapter 2, John was warning his children (his disciples) of the antichrist spirit. This spirit has crept into the church and John wanted them to be vigilant and not be taught by anyone except by the Holy Spirit that abides in them. Thus, by saying "ye need not that any man teach you", John meant the man with the antichrist spirit. That is the full meaning of 1 John 2:27. It does not, I repeat, it does not apply to the teachers (who have the Holy Spirit) in the five-fold ministry.

The anti-christ spirit is every spirit apart from the true spirit of the living God the Father. Let God be true and every man a liar. The anti-christ spirit which is Satan himself the prince of the power of the air is in the world and has been since the serpent in the garden came and brought temptation to mankind this spirit is in the world and in the church it manifest in the flesh just as Holy Spirit of God will in Jesus Christ is come in the flesh manifest itself in the believers life it is called walking in the Spririt as we confess Jesus is in us the hope of glory. Even the word teaches us that Satan himself transforms and an angel of light and also "his ministers" transforms into minister's of righteousness and these minister's do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh and says this is the anti-christ spirit. And those that do this do not practice nor advocate a changed lifestyle in the church. This is anti-christ spirit.

The anti-christ spirit promotes the natural man the old man unregenerate before God the Spirit of the Father the Spirit of truth promotes and advocates Jesus Christ come in the flesh and brings a change to one's life called being made a new creature in Christ Jesus also the new man created in Christ Jesus. The anti-christ spirit which is satan wants us to stay in that old nature we were born with from our parents the old nature earthly identity in the family of the earth. But Spirit of our Heavenly Father wants us to identify with His nature the divine nature that can be imparted to a person who wants to be born again hence the spiritual family of God and be taught of God in His ways hence a new family spiritual in nature, one new man, the new creature the divine nature of God residing in us. Christ in us the hope of glory is the mystery revealed or made known unto mankind anything apart from this is anti-christ spirit the spirit of the devil himself.

Did I say anything else in my post contrary to your response? Is my I.Q. getting low or am I just missing anything?

[Openly Curious]

I have not taken this verse out of context unknowingly, but instead I find it very intruiging in it's message.

What is your opinion of it's statement?

1 John 2:27

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,

and ye need not that any man teach you:

but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,

and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

in Christ,

-CC-

In order to properly understand a particular verse, we need to look at the whole context not just part. Starting from verse 18 of 1 John Chapter 2, John was warning his children (his disciples) of the antichrist spirit. This spirit has crept into the church and John wanted them to be vigilant and not be taught by anyone except by the Holy Spirit that abides in them. Thus, by saying "ye need not that any man teach you", John meant the man with the antichrist spirit. That is the full meaning of 1 John 2:27. It does not, I repeat, it does not apply to the teachers (who have the Holy Spirit) in the five-fold ministry.

The anti-christ spirit is every spirit apart from the true spirit of the living God the Father. Let God be true and every man a liar. The anti-christ spirit which is Satan himself the prince of the power of the air is in the world and has been since the serpent in the garden came and brought temptation to mankind this spirit is in the world and in the church it manifest in the flesh just as Holy Spirit of God will in Jesus Christ is come in the flesh manifest itself in the believers life it is called walking in the Spririt as we confess Jesus is in us the hope of glory. Even the word teaches us that Satan himself transforms and an angel of light and also "his ministers" transforms into minister's of righteousness and these minister's do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh and says this is the anti-christ spirit. And those that do this do not practice nor advocate a changed lifestyle in the church. This is anti-christ spirit.

The anti-christ spirit promotes the natural man the old man unregenerate before God the Spirit of the Father the Spirit of truth promotes and advocates Jesus Christ come in the flesh and brings a change to one's life called being made a new creature in Christ Jesus also the new man created in Christ Jesus. The anti-christ spirit which is satan wants us to stay in that old nature we were born with from our parents the old nature earthly identity in the family of the earth. But Spirit of our Heavenly Father wants us to identify with His nature the divine nature that can be imparted to a person who wants to be born again hence the spiritual family of God and be taught of God in His ways hence a new family spiritual in nature, one new man, the new creature the divine nature of God residing in us. Christ in us the hope of glory is the mystery revealed or made known unto mankind anything apart from this is anti-christ spirit the spirit of the devil himself.

Did I say anything else in my post contrary to your response? Is my I.Q. getting low or am I just missing anything?

Hello germanJoy,

As far as my end goes I never said you said anthing contrary to what you posted in my response I just was trying to eloborate more on it is all. I hope you stop take a deep breath let it out so you can see I never spoke contrary to what you said in anyway in my reply. please don't get up in arms for I am simply not worth it

OC

[eagleswings]

i take that scripture at face value as it was the one the Lord gave me while praying for those who think we must be taught by men to survive....... from the moment i was saved it was one on one with me and the Lord being filled with the Holy Spirit, it always amazes me how people do not understand the Lord Jesus lives in Us and how they think they need others to lead and quide them.......... now don, t get me wrong........... there are annointed leaders to help us along in our walks............. but so many never ever know the Lord for themselfs.........which is sad indeed............ Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. (matt.23:10)

[Openly Curious]

i take that scripture at face value as it was the one the Lord gave me while praying for those who think we must be taught by men to survive....... from the moment i was saved it was one on one with me and the Lord being filled with the Holy Spirit, it always amazes me how people do not understand the Lord Jesus lives in Us and how they think they need others to lead and quide them.......... now don, t get me wrong........... there are annointed leaders to help us along in our walks............. but so many never ever know the Lord for themselfs.........which is sad indeed............ Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. (matt.23:10)

Amen

that why He is called Master

oc

[Guest Car54WhereRU]

The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. The Ethiopian eunuch read the scriptures and Philip asked if he understood what he read. His reply was, "how can I except some man guide me." The Lord will use men to teach you things. How do your children learn? From watching you (Seems they pick up the bad stuff more ). But the only way you will understand stuff is if God opens your eyes. Psalm 119:18 says open mine eyes that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law and then verse 130 says the entrance of thy words giveth light, it giveth understanding to the simple. The reason alot of people say that they "only follow the Lord and let him teach them" is cause they are rebellious and will not submit to the authority of a pastor in a local church.

Hello Car54WhereRu,

I do not mean to get off topic here but you say something in your last sentence that I been wondering about of course I got my own thoughts but it do not hurt to get others opinions right. You said the reason alot of people say they only follow the Lord and let him teach them is cause they are rebellious and will not submit to the authority of a pastor in a local church.

My question is how far do that pastorial autority go. I mean I seen pastor who want to control every aspect of your life. I think it go to far sometime and can tear homes apart cause pastors get in the middle of things. I mean the word say husband is head of household not the pastor of church but have experienced such pastor before and do not think it biblical of them to go beyond the bounds of the church. But what i've seen is pastor's ursurping the authority of individuals homes and they have not been rightly given that place of authority and to me it is an abuse of their position to push they wills and desires upon you within this manner i mention here.

i have struggles from past that do mess with my head trusting those in authority among other issues going on at the same time but I am willing to submit to teachings of local church if they are truth but if I can't go in and out the church finding green patures and still waters to eat and drink because they want to make you their personal servants well I just can't find peace in that and think pastor's put more on people than what God requires of them to. Am I off base or do I got some validity to what I asking. The churches in my area are terrible in this avenue. And most of them are full of women and not many men. Which make me think as scripture say in timothy about silly women being taken captive. Do the pastor's get such a foothold on the women in they marriages that they follow the pastors and leave husband behind making pastor soul authority or dictator in their lives. I just don't want to be a silly women but balanced.

thanks

OC