Working out

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I tremble when I'm about to face a huge obsticle that seems overwhelming, if that's what it means to tremble in the Lord I don't know. It's like, I feel such a shakiness in my spirit that I have to go to God to get peace and let Him work out whatever it is in my life that's causing me to fear.

Is that sort of thing what Paul meant when he wrote 'Work out your salvation with fear and trembling'?

[Footsteps]

I tremble when I'm about to face a huge obsticle that seems overwhelming, if that's what it means to tremble in the Lord I don't know. It's like, I feel such a shakiness in my spirit that I have to go to God to get peace and let Him work out whatever it is in my life that's causing me to fear.

Is that sort of thing what Paul meant when he wrote 'Work out your salvation with fear and trembling'?

It could be. I think there are deeper implications though that Paul was refering to. I'm just not sure how to put it into words.

[pointer]

I tremble when I'm about to face a huge obsticle that seems overwhelming, if that's what it means to tremble in the Lord I don't know. It's like, I feel such a shakiness in my spirit that I have to go to God to get peace and let Him work out whatever it is in my life that's causing me to fear.

Is that sort of thing what Paul meant when he wrote 'Work out your salvation with fear and trembling'?

It could be. I think there are deeper implications though that Paul was refering to. I'm just not sure how to put it into words.

You mentioned a huge obstacle that causes fear. Surely that could not have been Paul's wish for us. Surely Christians properly fear nothing and no-one, unless it is God (and his duly appointed representatives, such as the police). Who or what can a Christian legitimately be in fear of, unless it is God?

[Footsteps]

I tremble when I'm about to face a huge obsticle that seems overwhelming, if that's what it means to tremble in the Lord I don't know. It's like, I feel such a shakiness in my spirit that I have to go to God to get peace and let Him work out whatever it is in my life that's causing me to fear.

Is that sort of thing what Paul meant when he wrote 'Work out your salvation with fear and trembling'?

It could be. I think there are deeper implications though that Paul was refering to. I'm just not sure how to put it into words.

You mentioned a huge obstacle that causes fear. Surely that could not have been Paul's wish for us. Surely Christians properly fear nothing and no-one, unless it is God (and his duly appointed representatives, such as the police). Who or what can a Christian legitimately be in fear of, unless it is God?

Excellent point. I'll meditate on your words of wisdom.

[irishcowboy]

Hmm, last time I trembled I was climbing up a 300' rock face (I have a terrible fear of heights) does that count?

with or with out climbing gear??????

hopefully with, for if you was trembling with out climbing gear, might have caused a 7.0 tremor... lol

mike

[irishcowboy]

seriously thou,

when i am scared, i do not shake nor tremble, it is when i get angry that i start trembling, the more anger the fills me, the more i shake trying to contain it....there are only three people that have pushed me to where i could no longer hold it, one got a black eye, busted/bloodied nose, and busted tooth, and was dazed for a while (three hits), another lost his dinner, as well as his lunch and breakfast....the other is in jail....

I do thank the Lord for giving me the strength to with stand a lot of heat..... i have not been in the trembling mode for many years...... ThankYou Lord....

mike

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i have not been in the trembling mode for many years...... ThankYou Lord....

This is odd. Paul commands that faith is worked out with fear and trembling.

[irishcowboy]

i have not been in the trembling mode for many years...... ThankYou Lord....

This is odd. Paul commands that faith is worked out with fear and trembling.

why do i need to be in fear, when the Lord has it all under control.....

as far as my faith, it is the Faith in Christ, that gets me through it all..... done worked out.....

mike

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i have not been in the trembling mode for many years...... ThankYou Lord....

This is odd. Paul commands that faith is worked out with fear and trembling.

why do i need to be in fear

That is for you to think about. Paul commanded it.

Maybe you should read the thread.

[irishcowboy]

do you think maybe that the meaning behind the word would be more of respect/reverance?

do you think maybe that the meaning might be more in line with love?

how do I work out my faith? i either believe or i do not believe, there is no middle ground.

I believe, and my faith is that of Christ. how do I work that out? either I have it, or I don't, and if I have it, then it should be growing...

a person that says they are the same today as they were yesterday, is actually dying, a person is either growing or dying.... moving ahead or moving behind..... a person staying still is growing "stagnate" a pond that is stagnate is dying, becoming a stentch, rotting....

yes, seeking the Lord, and more of the Lord is a painful event, a time where we are stretching our spirit to contain more of the Spirit of the Lord, like our stomach, if we starve ourselves, our stomach shrinks, and we are unable to take in very much food, if we continually eat, we are able to stretch our stomachs out, so that it can receive more food, the more we eat, the more it stretches.... and as we stretch it, it becomes painful, and we groan under the presure.... also, if we deside to fast, we allow our stomachs to shrink, and for a short time this too is painful, until it gets use to not having anything in it, then the pain will subside, and we will actually get to the point that we do not want anything to eat..... this also happens spiritually......

now,

do I fear my dad? ( my biological father ).....

no, i do however have a very deep respect for him. at one time, i did fear him with every ounce of my being, but as our relationship grew, that fear departed and became respect. our relationship is such, that i have no problem taking anything to my dad, even when i did stuff that was totally against the rules.... that fear i use to have, was something that i had to overcome, and it took alot of courage to stand up and face my dad, and suck up the desire to run and hide. our relationship changed the day i did something i had been told hundreds of times not to do..... THOU SHALT NOT....... and one day while doing what i was told THOU SHALT NOT, i broke the item the Thou Shalt Not use.....

I knew what was instore, for we (I) had been this way before, and i knew that it ment i would not be sitting at the table for dinner for a week......nope, not missing dinner, and not eating by my self, but standing at the table and eating with the rest of the family, not because there was no chair, but because i knew i would not be able to sit, not even in school....

I was scared, I feared my dad. I wanted to run and hide, probably simular to the way that Adam and Eve felt when they realized what they had done.

"Mom", said me

"Yes" said she, as she is preparing dinner.

"Where's dad?"

"Out front, checking the cars over before dinner"

with head half hung out the door, and feet in flight ready stance, "Dad?!?!"

"Yea, whacha need?"

"Ummmm, you know that thing you told us not to use?"

"yea"

"Well, ummmm, I used it, and ummmm it broke" preparing to take evasive manuvers, i duck inside the door and close it just far enough i can still hear him.

"ok, will talk about it later"

for a week after this incident, i waited, i dreaded the day, the time that dad and me would talk about this..... then i saw dad look at it, and then he took it to the shed, and found a spot for it on a shelf, and laid it there. to this day, it is still in the family, not in the shed anymore, but on a good shelf in the basement in the wood working shop. I see it every time i visit and remember the grace dad showed me, and remember the time we started building a relationship together, and the fear i use to have for him and the respect i now have. a respect i would not trade for the world the love of a man, that did not know the love of a father and son until we (my sister and brother, and then half brother)

you see, dad did not know his father, and did not have a relationship with him. dad knew abuse, and then did not have his father in his teen years....

the fear that people think we are suppose to have for the Lord is not unlike this, we are afraid of what the penalties will be, but we forget that we have had our sins exsponged, totally wiped clean.

we are to respect the Lord, Reverance the Lord, Honor the Lord, Worship the Lord. I love the Lord enough that I will Keep His Commandments.... not out of duty, but out of LOVE......

as far as working out my salvation, Christ done did the work.

as far as travailing in prayer, this I do..........

anyways, maybe you and i do not see things the same way.....

I do love the Lord, and I do spend time with Him the majority of every day....

you may even ask how that can be possible, believe me, i do spend lots and lots of time with Him.

the relationship between the Lord and me is wonderful, and I still want more... more and more....

I thrive to be in the Lords presence.....

Respectfully yours....

mike