Women in the Church today

[Nero's Fiddle]

In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters.

Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18 speaking of wives submitting to husbands, 1 Peter 2:13 speaking of Christians submitting to the laws of man, and James 4:7 speaking of sinning Christians submitting to God all use the following word:

hupotasso: to subordinate; refl. to obey:--- be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, be in subjection, submit self unto.

Moreover, in 1 Peter 3 wives are instructed to submit to their husbands "Even as Sara obeyed Abraham." This word is not hupotasso, but rather another word, hupakoe, translated many, many times as "obey".

In fact, it is the same word translated "obey" in Colossians 3:20 and 22, the first telling children to obey their parents, the second telling servants to obey their masters.

I don't know how to explain your statement except to think that you simply were mistaken or misinformed. The Greek most definitely instructs women to obey their husbands,

[Kabowd]

...but her obedience to him doesn't hinge on his obedience to the Lord. That's why I say we should each focus on our own roles and our own responsibility to obey...instead of trying to use someone else's disobedience (or potential for it) as an excuse for our own disobedience.

In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters.

1. Could you provide proof for this statement (in bold)?

2. Do you read, speak and write Koine Greek? Or are you referring to a lexicon or concordance?

3. What is your interpretation of 1 Peter 3:1?

4. What is your definition of "subjection" and/or "submit"? And where did you get your definition?

5. How does obedience differ from subjection (if it does)?

[Kabowd]

In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters.

Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18 speaking of wives submitting to husbands, 1 Peter 2:13 speaking of Christians submitting to the laws of man, and James 4:7 speaking of sinning Christians submitting to God all use the following word:

hupotasso: to subordinate; refl. to obey:--- be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, be in subjection, submit self unto.

Moreover, in 1 Peter 3 wives are instructed to submit to their husbands "Even as Sara obeyed Abraham." This word is not hupotasso, but rather another word, hupakoe, translated many, many times as "obey".

In fact, it is the same word translated "obey" in Colossians 3:20 and 22, the first telling children to obey their parents, the second telling servants to obey their masters.

I don't know how to explain your statement except to think that you simply were mistaken or misinformed. The Greek most definitely instructs women to obey their husbands,

[jamie]

What makes this board any different than a regular assembly?

Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children?

Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board?

Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here.

[redeemed098]

It is written that an "Overseer", a "Deacon" or an "Elder", must be the Husband of one Wife. How can a woman be the husband of one wife...?????

Am I to understand that there are women who disrespect the teachings of Paul as Truth...??

Regards,

Ben.

Edited July 19, 2006 by redeemed098

[st. Worm]

What makes this board any different than a regular assembly?

Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children?

Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board?

Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here.

jamie, I would say this board is not the same as a church, where the preaching of the Word occurs and where the Sacraments are properly administered. The church, not worthy boards, is the bride of Christ.

blessings,

sw

[jamie]

What makes this board any different than a regular assembly?

Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children?

Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board?

Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here.

jamie, I would say this board is not the same as a church, where the preaching of the Word occurs and where the Sacraments are properly administered. The church, not worthy boards, is the bride of Christ.

blessings,

sw

This board is a 'gathering' place which is set up with authority. And the preaching of the word does occur here.

I still say according to some of the beliefs here (even by the woman) that the woman are out of line by holding positions of authority over the men.

This isn't my personal belief, I just feel people need to practice what they preach.

[Guest God's Chosen]

God will use any willing vessel; man, woman, donkey.

[Scarletprayers]

What makes this board any different than a regular assembly?

Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children?

Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board?

Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here.

jamie, I would say this board is not the same as a church, where the preaching of the Word occurs and where the Sacraments are properly administered. The church, not worthy boards, is the bride of Christ.

blessings,

sw

This board is a 'gathering' place which is set up with authority. And the preaching of the word does occur here.

I still say according to some of the beliefs here (even by the woman) that the woman are out of line by holding positions of authority over the men.

This isn't my personal belief, I just feel people need to practice what they preach.

this place is not the Church

[Guest jckduboise]

What makes this board any different than a regular assembly?

Why are there females on here who have more authority than men, and who are teachng (which some posts suggest) more than woman and children?

Why is it that it's ok via internet, yet not in person? Isn't it hypocritical to say that woman are to be submissive to men, to only teach woman and children, to not hold positions of authority over men.....yet allow it here on the board?

Just curious about how you would reconcile that, or if you would say that isn't happening here.

jamie, I would say this board is not the same as a church, where the preaching of the Word occurs and where the Sacraments are properly administered. The church, not worthy boards, is the bride of Christ.

blessings,

sw

This board is a 'gathering' place which is set up with authority. And the preaching of the word does occur here.

I still say according to some of the beliefs here (even by the woman) that the woman are out of line by holding positions of authority over the men.

This isn't my personal belief, I just feel people need to practice what they preach.

this place is not the Church

no it isn't it is a fellowship hall that gives ability to all to participate. If it were the church however women should refrain from trying to teach and take authority over the men.