Women in the Church today

[larryt]

Nevertheless:

1) God is still a man.

2) The Bible is plainly clear regarding the role of women in the church: They are not permitted to teach.

Praise The Lord that the orthodoxy of the church has never depended on a small group of individuals with contrary minds.

God is not a man. He created humans both male and female and both are in his image.

The bible DOES NOT clearly state the role of all women in all churches. Again, this passage is so misunderstood in this thread. The passage that people are using here is out of context of what was going on IN THAT CHURCH in that time and does not apply to all women in all churches.

The truth is that God decides what role he would have whom in the church. This is on an individual basis not depending on gender.

Equality among men and women in the church is not delusional nor liberal. It is letting God be God and let him use those whom he wills. Are not women also children of God? Christianity needs all the help it can get. Why would you shut off women to in reality make up more than 50% of the membership?

There are many reasons why God would call a woman. Not all women who are abused by husbands or another male could face another male to receive ministry. A woman she would be more comfortable with.

Women are leaders just as good and sometimes better than men. It is a scientific and medical fact that they can multi-task better than a male.

God is male. The Father - male, Jesus - male, Holy Spirit - male

Joh 15:26

[st. Worm]

Nevertheless:

1) God is still a man.

2) The Bible is plainly clear regarding the role of women in the church: They are not permitted to teach.

Praise The Lord that the orthodoxy of the church has never depended on a small group of individuals with contrary minds.

God is not a man. He created humans both male and female and both are in his image.

The bible DOES NOT clearly state the role of all women in all churches. Again, this passage is so misunderstood in this thread. The passage that people are using here is out of context of what was going on IN THAT CHURCH in that time and does not apply to all women in all churches.

The truth is that God decides what role he would have whom in the church. This is on an individual basis not depending on gender.

Equality among men and women in the church is not delusional nor liberal. It is letting God be God and let him use those whom he wills. Are not women also children of God? Christianity needs all the help it can get. Why would you shut off women to in reality make up more than 50% of the membership?

There are many reasons why God would call a woman. Not all women who are abused by husbands or another male could face another male to receive ministry. A woman she would be more comfortable with.

Women are leaders just as good and sometimes better than men. It is a scientific and medical fact that they can multi-task better than a male.

I think the biblical evidence against women in authority and in the pastorate is quite clear. The fact that some women are good leaders or gifted does not offset what Scripture clearly says about roles. We do not go against Scripture because of pragmatism or just because "Christianity needs all the help it can get". Hitler was a gifted leader in many ways but not a good candidate for the pastorate and he clearly did not meet the biblical qualifications just as women do not either. Christianity is not about "what works" although unfortunately I think that type of thinking is becoming more prevalent as we move away from God's Word towards modern day practicality.

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[firehill]

James 3:1-2

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. 2For all of us make many mistakes. Anyone who makes no mistakes in speaking is perfect, able to keep the whole body in check with a bridle. NRSV

This biblical passage is pretty clear about women teaching.

[Floatingaxe]

Doctrine cannot be established on only one passage.

You would do well to heed your own words. So many women took on leadership roles even in Jesus' day! Seven "deacons" who served Jesus were: Peter's mother-in-law; Mary, mother of James and Joses; Martha, sister of Mary and Lazarus; Susanna; Joanna; Salome and Mary Magdalene.

When you infer that woman should stay in her "place", you make all that Jesus came to do negated and you make God a liar.

Jesus came and freed women from the bondage that men had placed them in. They were not allowed to know God or the scriptures. They were not allowed to speak to men. Jesus came and spoke to them directly and taught them directly and allowed them to travel with him and be in ministry alongside Him and His twelve. The disciples spoke of "The Women" or "Our Women"! They were much beloved and also much elevated--to be on a par with the men. This is God's heart in the matter! That we all serve each other together and bring the good news of the Saviour to the world. That is the function of the church, and that is what we all should be doing--together--equally!

Galatians 3:28 says, " There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." This passage does not say for us to "stay in your places!" It tells us that there are no longer categories, or differences, or rights or priviledges. Trying to maintain some hierarchy of mankind before God is non-Christian and against the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Oh how Jesus loves us all, and wants us to serve Him the way we were created to from the beginning in the garden! That is why He came!

Love You, Jesus!

[Floatingaxe]

Hitler was a gifted leader in many ways but not a good candidate for the pastorate and he clearly did not meet the biblical qualifications just as women do not either.

What profound truth can possibly be found in this statement?

[Guest Spook]

James 3:1-2

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. 2For all of us make many mistakes. Anyone who makes no mistakes in speaking is perfect, able to keep the whole body in check with a bridle. NRSV

This biblical passage is pretty clear about women teaching.

It is most certainly not. The parts you highlighted with italics have no underlying text in the Greek NT. You are citing a translator's interpretive gloss as a Biblical authority. Piffle.

Just out of curiosity, I checked the Bible Gateway's translations where I could read them. Eight Spanish translations (Biblia en Lenguaje Sencillo, Castilian, Dios Habla Hoy, La Biblia de las Am

Edited July 30, 2006 by Spook

[billie]

You know, I'm no theologian or Bible authority, but something about women teaching men in the church....just doesn't seem right.

[apothanein kerdos]

Thank you for making it clear where you and 'we' whoever they are see context change taking place.

The context change occures at verse 11 of Chapter 2, that is where the unit of authority of the church begins. Note:

A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 1 Timothy 2:11

This deals with prior context and future context, thus a transitionary verse...where the unit on authority begins.

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 1 Timothy 2:12

This is a complete change from verses 9-10, which shows that the context has changed completely. It is now dealing with authority and not a worship service. The scripture then goes on, in chapter three, to discuss how overseers/bishops/pastors are men seeking the office, not women. Before you jump in and refer to the deacon argument, look to chapter 3, verse 11 that refers to the qualifications of women as deacons.....we do not see this when it comes to authority.

Nonetheless you've only provided where you and 'we' whoever they are see context change. BTW, that Paul is refering to 'the qualifications of women as deacons' is also disputed since he could be refering to deacons wives, or even women serving as elders.

Ah, good old relativism. I've proven how the context changes, it's up to you to prove otherwise.

In fact, all the effort has been on my part.....you've done literally nothing except copy and paste an article.

[Floatingaxe]

You know, I'm no theologian or Bible authority, but something about women teaching men in the church....just doesn't seem right.

And what is so "RIGHT" about men teaching women? It's Tit-for-tat to God!

[Kabowd]

You know, I'm no theologian or Bible authority, but something about women teaching men in the church....just doesn't seem right.

And what is so "RIGHT" about men teaching women? It's Tit-for-tat to God!

Wow, I didn't know God was schizophrenic.