Mary Mother of God

[Floatingaxe]

Then stop adding Mary to that combo.

I have never said once that Mary is elevated to a position equal or above God. We venerate Mary we adorate God. Mary is honored by the Church and still holds a very special position and rightly so.

THE CHURCH? The Catholic church tells itself it started with Peter, but it didn't.

[CellShade]

Mary is the mother of Jesus, the fleshly Son, not of God Himself.

You are making an age old mistake. You cannot seperate God from Man. The fleshly son as you put it was God. Remember the Trinity....Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one. They cannot be seperated. The Trinity is the foundation of Chrisitanity. Do you believe in the Trinity?

Some new's for you, when Jesus came to earth, only Jesus came to earth, The Holy Spirit and God Father stayed in Heaven.

The whole trinity didn't come here at that time.

Know you facts!

The Word(Jesus (son)) was made Flesh.

Then stop adding Mary to that combo.

[Ovedya]

Actually, Cell, the Lord Jesus was the embodiment of the entire Triune God.

[Ovedya]

You are making an age old mistake. You cannot seperate God from Man. The fleshly son as you put it was God. Remember the Trinity....Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one. They cannot be seperated. The Trinity is the foundation of Chrisitanity. Do you believe in the Trinity?

This is also incorrect. Mary was the mother of the incarnated God-man, Jesus. The Roman church made a grievous theological error when it claimaed that Mary was the "mother of God." The title implies something about Mary herself, which elevates her to a position above other humans. As a human being, Mary was just as fallen, just as fallible as the rest of us. At a point she acknowledged the need for Jesus' salvation, just as the rest of us who have come to believe into Christ ourselves.

I have heard it reasoned that God would never have incarnated Himself in the womb of a woman born with sin. But the statement doesn't follow God's established pattern of chosing men and women of little significance and worth to be His messengers and His oracles. Check the Lord Jesus' lineage and you will find thieves and prostitutes. It is not in spite of, but because of this that the Lord can be the true Savior of all of mankind.

While I respect Mary as the mother of Jesus, and I celebrate the wonderful incarnation of my Lord and Savior, I do not "adore" her. I do not venerate her as "my mother," and I do not believe in any way that she is "co-redemptrix" with Christ. She doesn't protect me from harm, she doesn't pray for me to Jesus (Who then prays to God for me), and if I kiss a special medalion on the end of a necklace, I will not garner any special attention or favor from her.

[ayin jade]

Eve brought original sin into the world, Mary brought God/Man, Jesus Christ into the world.

And yet, Scripture is clear that through Adam came sin, and through the second Adam (Jesus), we are saved. Eve was deceived, Adam sinned.

[EricH]

This thread will not turn into an apologetic for the catholic church. The OP asked about Mary and the protestants view of her. Clearly there are differences. THe topic about scripture has been argued ad nauseum in other threads. Lets confine the comments to the original questions of the OP. That is the differences in how the Catholic church and non-catholics view Mary

[vox]

Mary is the mother of Jesus, the fleshly Son, not of God Himself.

I am sorry to say that you are a Nestorian heretic if that is what you believe.

The Bible wasn't put together by Catholic church.

It was most of approved by catholic church, but then again, The catholic church uses The Bible to this day, and doesn't mean their other teachings are correct, or that their teachings are at all correct.

You agree then it is the Catholic Church which approves which books to be put together to form the Bible. You have the Catholic Church to thank for.

But there is one unanswered question:

1. How do you reconcile 2Timothy 3:16-17 to John 21:25?

If your interpretation of 2Tim3:16,17 is correct how do you explain Jonh21:25, the verses contradict each other. There should be harmony within the Scriptures not contradiction. Please answer the question.

[CellShade]

You agree then it is the Catholic Church which approves which books to be put together to form the Bible. You have the Catholic Church to thank for.

Why thank it, that they approved it doesn't mean anything to me, the Bible was compiled perfectly by others.

You wouldn't need me to say that I approve this website as christian, when their is clear evidence it is christian.

Regarding to John verse, I don't know how it contradict the other verse.

[vox]

You agree then it is the Catholic Church which approves which books to be put together to form the Bible. You have the Catholic Church to thank for.

Why thank it, that they approved it doesn't mean anything to me, the Bible was compiled perfectly by others.

You wouldn't need me to say that I approve this website as christian, when their is clear evidence it is christian.

Regarding to John verse, I don't know how it contradict the other verse.

Not here to start a tit for tat argument with you, I am merely point to historical record, whether you believe it or not, it was the Catholic Church who decided on the canons of the Bible which you use today. What's that got to do with this website?

Are you going to answer question 1?

[vox]

You are making an age old mistake. You cannot seperate God from Man. The fleshly son as you put it was God. Remember the Trinity....Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one. They cannot be seperated. The Trinity is the foundation of Chrisitanity. Do you believe in the Trinity?

This is also incorrect. Mary was the mother of the incarnated God-man, Jesus. The Roman church made a grievous theological error when it claimaed that Mary was the "mother of God." The title implies something about Mary herself, which elevates her to a position above other humans. As a human being, Mary was just as fallen, just as fallible as the rest of us. At a point she acknowledged the need for Jesus' salvation, just as the rest of us who have come to believe into Christ ourselves.

I do not wish to discuss any other Marian doctrine. You are touching on the subject of the Immaculate Conception, which have been discussed at length many times in this forum. Suffice to say that if you say she is the Mother of the incarnated God-man and as you also implied below then she is above other humans.

Therefore your reply is contradictory. If you say:

Actually, Cell, the Lord Jesus was the embodiment of the entire Triune God.

Then Mary is the Mother of God, she is the Theotokos. There is no grievous theological error as you put it. In my previous reply I discuss at length why this is so.

The doctrine of the Theotokos is Christ-centered and not Mary-centered, it is to safe-guard the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ against the Nestorian heresy which separates the one nature of Christ into two. Not only does it deny Christ's divinity but also it questions the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.