If God is light . . .

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In trying to comprehend the trinity, We see God, and His Spirit, and then He said let there be light. Maybe this was the bringing forth of His Son, the Light of the World.....

Very interesting OA! Since we know from John, Christ is the Creator, God would first have to have His Son Jesus beforehand, hence "let there be light". In this case "in the beginning was the Word" would mean the beginning of the creation but that God pre-existed before His Son. I can anticipate some of the reaction to this one. Anyway, it seems the reason God had to create light was for the physical creation which seems to exist in some other dimension than the one where God himself resides although He seems to somehow cross the dimensions. God's dimension is light itself, I think!

But, back then, when the Bible was written, they did not know that.

So what else didn't they know or state correctly? Maybe to them God created the light but in reality all He did was extend light to the creation and hence did not create light at all but merely gave light???

[whatsitmean]

Jesus is the light of the world.

In trying to comprehend the trinity,

I have decided I should save this till after the resurrection because... Well, obvious reasons..

If I can understand even part of it then, it will enough.

Somethings just have to wait.

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If "God is light," why did He have to create it?

Robert Sungenis from Catholic Apologetics International explains the following:

The distinction between light and the sun is also supported by other Scriptures. For example, Psalm 74:16 states:

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[tsth]

Even if He started with nothing, He had to have created that "nothing" to begin with, didn't He?

But God was ALWAYS there, and He is something, so how could there ever have been nothing? I guess outside of God there was nothing so He decided to create something.

That's interesting Nebula, I never saw that before. I guess either the light originally eminated from God Himself (maybe so He could see what He was doing ) or since Genesis seems mainly concerned with the earth and it's surroundings, maybe God created others suns of which we know there are many, saw they were good, and then on the fourth day set one in orbit around the earth with the moon,planets, and stars.

Ok, I just came across this thread, and here's the Word that was given in regard to some of this:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

This is about distinctions. It is for distinctions to be comprehended. We need light and dark. For example:

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

I hope this gives something us something to consider and takes us back into the beginning

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In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then God said

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

In His Love,

Suzanne

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I have just found this thread I wish I had found it earlier.

I suppose i will through in my 2 cents worth also

I believe there is two different "lights" being dealt with here and we need to know what one is being refereed to when we are reading a section of scripture.

Light : The physical light that we see with our eyes, the main source we have here on earth is the sun.

Light: The wisdom/truth that comes from God through The Messiah Jesus.

I believe the light in genisis could be referring to both physical light and wisdom light. But primarily I think it is referring to physical light. God has always existed therefore the light that He created In Genesis Is not His "wisdom light" but is "physical light"

For most scriptures when the light is mentioned I believe it is referring to Gods truth/wisdom. When we have physical light we can see the world around us and can travel in safety, seeing all the obstacles in our path. But when we have no light we will stumble over these obstacles and we will loose our sense of direction so we will never make it to our destination but end up going in circles. When we have Gods "wisdom light" we can perceive evil that is around us and evil that is within us and we can perceive what we must do to deal with it. We can perceive when evil raises it's ugly head in our lives and this allows us to act to prevent the evil from having the power to overcome us. Gods "wisdom light" allows us to know about the incredible reality of eternity and our place in it. We know where we are going.

All praise The Ancient Of Days

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Hi again I think this thread has taken on a whole new topic. One that is a lot more though provoking and potentially controversial.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

This passage from the Bible is probably the most thought provoking and important passage that Christians can tackle. I believe it reveals the nature of the Messiah Jesus. Jesus is the WORD.

So John 1:1 states

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Now it says "beginning" We know that God had no beginning.

So the question must be asked. Was The WORD before the beginning? The scripture does not reveal it one way or the other? Maybe we will find out when we enter eternity.

It says that the "WORD was with God". which makes one think there is a separation between the two. then it goes on to say that the "Word was God" which seems to suggest that God and the WORD are one and the same.

So the answer to the question of the nature of Jesus has been given. But can out little human minds handle the answer? Maybe this also is something we will understand when we enter into eternity

All praise The Ancient Of Days

[whatsitmean]

Genesis begins - In the beginning and proceeds forward.

John begins - In the beginning and goes backwards - was. These opening verses are actually a genology of the eternal WORD that became flesh.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

They knew He was the SON of God, yes--- but they did not know, they had no idea, He was GOD Himself in the flesh.

[tsth]

Even if He started with nothing, He had to have created that "nothing" to begin with, didn't He?

But God was ALWAYS there, and He is something, so how could there ever have been nothing? I guess outside of God there was nothing so He decided to create something.

That's interesting Nebula, I never saw that before. I guess either the light originally eminated from God Himself (maybe so He could see what He was doing ) or since Genesis seems mainly concerned with the earth and it's surroundings, maybe God created others suns of which we know there are many, saw they were good, and then on the fourth day set one in orbit around the earth with the moon,planets, and stars.

Ok, I just came across this thread, and here's the Word that was given in regard to some of this:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

This is about distinctions. It is for distinctions to be comprehended. We need light and dark. For example:

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

I hope this gives something us something to consider and takes us back into the beginning

.

Note: See Signature Scripture Below

In His Love,

Suzanne

Yes, Adstar,

That is exactly what the Spirit was talking about. That is what I posted.

In the beginning

In His Love,

Suzanne