Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[Floatingaxe]

Homosexuals are not sinful. Being homosexual is not sinful. Acting upon the urge for homosexuality is a sin...

Just bearing the label is bad enough. A man who honours God with His life and doesn't sin in that way would not allow such a label. So, in essence, if one is known as a homosexual, yet doesn't practice it, then it is a sinful attachment or association, isn't it?

A Christian is not going to bear that label... it is a sinful label.

[CaritateDei]

Homosexuals are not sinful. Being homosexual is not sinful. Acting upon the urge for homosexuality is a sin...

Just bearing the label is bad enough. A man who honours God with His life and doesn't sin in that way would not allow such a label. So, in essence, if one is known as a homosexual, yet doesn't practice it, then it is a sinful attachment or association, isn't it?

A Christian is not going to bear that label... it is a sinful label.

By that argument, humanity is sinful, therefore being human is sinful.

The fact is, if one wears the label as a badge of honor, then of course, he or she is practicing it. If however, one is BORN a homosexual, then you say, by the fact that they were born with this disorder, they are sinning? Was Bartimaeus a sinner because he was born blind? Floatingaxe, your logic here is flawed and unbiblical.

[Floatingaxe]

Homosexuals are not sinful. Being homosexual is not sinful. Acting upon the urge for homosexuality is a sin...

Just bearing the label is bad enough. A man who honours God with His life and doesn't sin in that way would not allow such a label. So, in essence, if one is known as a homosexual, yet doesn't practice it, then it is a sinful attachment or association, isn't it?

A Christian is not going to bear that label... it is a sinful label.

By that argument, humanity is sinful, therefore being human is sinful.

The fact is, if one wears the label as a badge of honor, then of course, he or she is practicing it. If however, one is BORN a homosexual, then you say, by the fact that they were born with this disorder, they are sinning? Was Bartimaeus a sinner because he was born blind? Floatingaxe, your logic here is flawed and unbiblical.

Moi? Unbiblical?

No one is born homosexual. You have just bought the lie.

By your logic, Bartimaeus would have to go around telling everyone that he is blind, but is now a healed blind person! Ridiculous! A homosexual person who is delivered from it needs no longer ever take that label. He is free. "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed", to be biblical about it!

[Oh Hamburgers!]

No one is born homosexual. You have just bought the lie.

How do you know? If you say scripture, could you direct me to the passage that states no one is born homosexual?

What if a study would come out in the future that has conclusive evidence that 90% of homosexuals are born with homosexual tendencies? What would your reaction be? I'm saying this because science has been very interested in this lately, and it is only a matter of time before an actual answer is found.

[CaritateDei]

Homosexuals are not sinful. Being homosexual is not sinful. Acting upon the urge for homosexuality is a sin...

Just bearing the label is bad enough. A man who honours God with His life and doesn't sin in that way would not allow such a label. So, in essence, if one is known as a homosexual, yet doesn't practice it, then it is a sinful attachment or association, isn't it?

A Christian is not going to bear that label... it is a sinful label.

By that argument, humanity is sinful, therefore being human is sinful.

The fact is, if one wears the label as a badge of honor, then of course, he or she is practicing it. If however, one is BORN a homosexual, then you say, by the fact that they were born with this disorder, they are sinning? Was Bartimaeus a sinner because he was born blind? Floatingaxe, your logic here is flawed and unbiblical.

Moi? Unbiblical?

No one is born homosexual. You have just bought the lie.

By your logic, Bartimaeus would have to go around telling everyone that he is blind, but is now a healed blind person! Ridiculous! A homosexual person who is delivered from it needs no longer ever take that label. He is free. "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed", to be biblical about it!

I am with Hamburgers on this one. You mention absolutes where there are none, thus making a prima facie classic fallacy. And AGAIN, I said that those that PROCLAIM their homosexuality are PROBABLY practicing, and therefore sinning. Those that know that they are homosexuals are not sinful just for being homosexual. Again, I'm playing friendly in your ballpark here, and you decided to pick apart someone that agreed that homosexual acts are sinful.

[Floatingaxe]

I only disagree with the statement that you just made:

"Those that know that they are homosexuals are not sinful just for being homosexual."

If one is homosexual, one is bearing a sinful identity. One who is free of it, bears no further identification and is a whole person. One who claims to be homosexual yet doesn't practice, must still have an inner identification, and is still dealing with the sin that occurs in the mind. Not whole, still sinning, still broken, not free.

[Arthur Durnan]

A long & growing list of prominent medical & psychiatric researchers have concluded that homosexuality is an abhorrent abnormality of the first order. "Human Sexuality," Page 320, states, "The generic theory of homosexuality has been widely discarded today." Our sentiments exactly. Dr. Gerhard Van Den Aardweg states in "Origins & Treatment Of homosexuality: "...A neurotic function of autopsychodrama, or infantile self-pity turned anonymous." The monumental work by Bell, Hammersmith & Weinberg, "Sexual Preferences & Development In Men & Women," "childhood gender non-conformity is highly associated with adult sexual preference." Note PREFERENCE, that is, NOT via birth! Very interesting.

Add to this growing list Drs. Elizabeth Moberley (Oxford); Joseph Nicolosi (California); Henry Sager; Joseph Berger (Univ. of Toronto); William Wilson; Daniel Cappon; Charles Socarides; John Raberskel; et al. The latter stating, "Biologically or psychologically, it is abnormal." And Jesus Christ too, of course, since one or two have mentioned HIM, never once promotes or even alludes to two of the same gender, but always only "male & female" in holy matrimony. Check him out at Matthew 19. You could do lots WORSE!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[kat8585]

No one is born homosexual. You have just bought the lie.

How do you know? If you say scripture, could you direct me to the passage that states no one is born homosexual?

What if a study would come out in the future that has conclusive evidence that 90% of homosexuals are born with homosexual tendencies? What would your reaction be? I'm saying this because science has been very interested in this lately, and it is only a matter of time before an actual answer is found.

How about the scripture that says one is born gay? If such a study came out, I would look to see if it wasn't gays putting it out.

You are right, science is interrested, and hasn't been coming up with much proof that anyone is born gay.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

How about the scripture that says one is born gay? If such a study came out, I would look to see if it wasn't gays putting it out.

Exactly, the bible doesn't say anything about people being born or not being born homosexual. I guess we are just going to have to wait until science comes out with something before holding judgement.

Suppose that the study didn't involve "gays putting it out", and came from collaberation between 5000 of the worlds greatest, most unbiased scientists, with a 99.9% accuracy?

You are right, science is interrested, and hasn't been coming up with much proof that anyone is born gay.

Nothing difinitive yet.

[Floatingaxe]

No one is born homosexual. You have just bought the lie.

How do you know? If you say scripture, could you direct me to the passage that states no one is born homosexual?

What if a study would come out in the future that has conclusive evidence that 90% of homosexuals are born with homosexual tendencies? What would your reaction be? I'm saying this because science has been very interested in this lately, and it is only a matter of time before an actual answer is found.

I know because God says that it is an abomination to Him. If it is an abomination to God, then I can safely assume it is not something we can be born with, as it is something we have control over. God is not going to create us with the inability to obey Him is He?

There will never be such a study that proves what you say. If one is announced, I will know it is a pack of lies created to agree with the abominable gay agenda.