Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[Guest LadyC]

paulo, how many NT scriptures have been posted in this thread? are you just in denial that the NT is equally as opposed to homosexual behaviour as the OT is?

[Guest LadyC]

i don't eat anything that comes out of the water. personal preference. it tastes... well.... fishy!

[RustyAngeL]

secondeve,

I have seen you vehemently defend the gay/lesbian community in numerous posts.

If you don't mind me asking...are you a lesbian?

No I don't think she is but I find a lot of Christians who defend the lifestyle. I don't know know how they can especially when they read the word of God and believe what He says on the matter Leviticus 18:22 and in Romans the first chapter verses 27 and in 1st Corinthians Chapter 6 verse 9. But yet they still defend the practice of the gay lifestyle. So much in scripture and it's always ignored by a handful of liberal christians. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but I think God is getting sick of His people looking the other way on such matters.

[Guest LadyC]

rusty, they do because they're more worried about how they'll look to the people of this world than to the creator of it.

[Guest LadyC]

a learned pattern of behaviour to attract those we want to attract. very much the same way a promiscuous woman will behave in a way that attracts men of unsavory character. God addressed this issue specifically, condemning those who dressed, act, and spoke in an effiminate manner.

[Floatingaxe]

Then please answer me this:

Many homosexuals tend to have a certain demeanor about them. Many gay men, in particular, are very flamboyant, or have a certain way of speaking. Since this seems to be a common trait among them, then what is it if not natural?

It's an "affectation":

1. an effort to appear to have a quality not really or fully possessed; the pretense of actual possession: an affectation of interest in art; affectation of great wealth.

2. conspicuous artificiality of manner or appearance; effort to attract notice by pretense, assumption, or any assumed peculiarity.

3. a trait, action, or expression characterized by such artificiality: a man of a thousand affectations.

[MeCajunboy]

what command does it break? i take it you haven't read scripture, which indicates in many passages both old and new testament that God finds homosexuality an abomination and that those who continue to practice it without repentance will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

what does that matter? nothing to those who don't care i suppose. but it matters greatly to those who desire to know God, serve God, and live eternally with God.

I know that gayness as a sin is mentioned in Leviticus and (I think) Deuteronomy and Isiah - I'm not going to dispute that. But it would be interesting to know what reason, if any, the Bible gives for it being evil.

This might seem an odd question, so I suppose I'll have to clarify. Murder is bad because it harms someone other than the perpetrator, ie: the victim. It is therefore practical to rule against it. The same goes for theft, lying and adultery. Regardless of whether or not you believe in God, there are commonsense reasons for why these things are harmful to a society. Sex outside of marriage is - to me - a greyer area than these. With exceptions of rape, it doesn't hurt the two willing participants - but in certain societies, stigma and the possibility of being an unwed mother, where these things can be harmful or difficult, would make the law a reasonable precaution. One can believe that marriage is the only fit instutition for sex without believing in God, because all cultures have some concept of it. Still, in societies where those stigmas don't exist and where contraception is available, the single remaining imperative is to obey God; and if God does not exist, then the command is no longer logical or commonsensical.

Then we have homosexuality. Unless in cases of rape, it hurts nobody. There can be no unwanted children - which leaves the only imperative not to practise it at "God says it's morally bad" and "God says you should only have sex in marriage." So, I suppose I'm wondering if the Bible offers up any reasons apart from these as to why it's bad - ie, reasons which might apply, with commonsense, in a secular context as well as a Christian one.

What I find interesting, is who quickly one tends to support "Homosexuality" or accepts it merely because the secular world embraces it. Or a friend, relative or loved one can't or won't make an effort to be released from it. To say it has no visual effects on the world is like viewing it with blinders. As with any of the other commands/sins that God tells us to avoid. Finally, there are more than a few scriptures/versus that address homosexuality. You only need to review your index in the rear of your King James Version Bible and they will be located under "unclean sex," "immoral sex," "fornication." You have to remember, when the Bible was originated the term "homosexuality" was not created or made aware of as yet. It's only very recent in time that this term was known. But make no mistake about it. Homosexuality, and sexual lusting, desires and pleasures have destroyed many cities and God responds with great anger when it gets out of control. There is no mistaking God's views on the subject. HE SAYS NO! AND HE MEANS IT! And now many churches are molding their beliefs around the sin rather than the world molding themselves around the Bible and God!

As for the children, and I'm quite sure there are many cases that can prove genetic disorders, how does anyone know if a child was not abused at a very early age? There are always siblings/relatives around to abuse for their own pleasurable sins. Sins that they will pay dearly for. As many of them have brought many of the youth into an abominable sin that they may find impossible to get out of.

Blessings

cajunboy

[Floatingaxe]

A friend of mine is gay. And no, there wasn't a choice in his case. His parents tried to force him into a straight marriage. It didn't work. He found straight sex to be disgusting. We are talking about congenital-aberrant behaviour. Serial killers don't CHOOSE to be serial killers. They just are.

Your friend needs serious counselliong and deliverance. So do serial killers. Odd that you would compare the two wickednesses.

[Floatingaxe]

I'd be curious to see how many people on these boards actually know any gays and lesbians? I would think that first hand exposure would weigh on your opinion.

Hopefully a Christian's view would be that of God's no matter what attempts to taint it would come along.

[Guest LadyC]

LOL, i'd like to know how many of us DONT know a gay or lesbian!

i have a cousin who died of aids. yes, he was gay. i have another cousin who is alive and well, and very successful, who lives with his gay lover. for the record, he is opposed to gay marriage rights. in my younger days when i was single, i had a number of roommates over the years. i had two different roommates who were both lesbian. they knew my position on homosexuality, and they were still close friends with me.