Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[jewelz123]

IF you are reading Genesis then you know the stories of destruction that were leveled against Sodom and Gomorah and the story of Lot. So IF you believe in God, perhaps you might try believing HIM. Since you do believe that He created everything - you must admit He is probably smarter than you. Isaiah 55:9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

But, since you don't believe that homosexuals make any choices (based on nothing but your opinion - no evidence exists) why would you even believe in the God of Genesis who doesn't agree? Your own words contradict yourself. Why would you believe in the God of Genesis who murders homosexual victims as you describe them?

You also state "For man lies and to lie is to achieve power" - that sounds like you are trying be profound. Lucifer tells his lies to man and he believes it. You have. How is it that you are so blind? A "truth" that contradicts Genesis which you say you believe? A "truth" that is based on feelings/opinions and nothing more. You have become a pawn for the the liar who seeks to separate you from God forever. He's done a pretty good job - except that you return to this forum day after day.

This reminds me of what was said to me when I wasn't a believer - People can talk about God all day without a problem - but mention Jesus and they get pissed. Spend a little time wondering why you think Jesus isn't who he says he is - if not what HE says (the way, the truth the life) why then is he what YOU say (not God)? Why do you know better? Based on what? Pride, feelings, lies, puffed up arrogance - "This is from Wisdom and Understanding that came from time."

Wow. A lot of chatter to rationalize over common sense. Hey, if you want to believe that common sense that doesn't jive with scripture is Satan's calling, that is your problem. Yes it is true, I am not as smart as the author who wrote your scripture, but I am not dumb enough to not carefully examine the behavior behind the words.

You missed my meaning by a long shot. Buuuuuuut, we will get there if we keep trying. You are welcome to read over my words again.

Everything you just said has no point other than to belittle. You are not "dumb enough to not carefully examine the behavior behind the words." - sounds exactly like what we have been saying to you about homosexuality. You contradict yourself continually and the more you talk the more you show your limitations.

[Guest LadyC]

paulo, i don't have to know the guy. i know Jesus. and i know that scripture makes it VERY plain that one who is unrepentant of their sin, regardless of what sin that is, will not enter the kingdom of heaven. furthermore i also know that scripture tells us that not everyone who thinks they know Him truly does, and that on the day of judgement, God will be handing out a lot of pink slips to people who thought they had heavenly security but didn't turn from their wickedness.

so no, it is not i who has passed judgement, it is God who has done so.

it's great that your friend has changed for the better in many ways. but he has NOT submitted to God, nor has he given his LIFE over to the potter's hands.

sorry, but that is just the way it is. that's God's word, not mine.

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He lives his life through Christ everyday. He has excepted Him as his personal saviour. Do you know this guy?

Can anyone know anyone completely accept for God Himself? All you know is what you see with your human eyes and hear with your human ears, can you see his heart? Can you say, from God's perspective, that your friend truely lives his life through Jesus Christ?

So, without even meeting this person, you've already passed judgment.

Based on what you yourself have stated about your friend, he is actively commiting the sin of homosexuality.

Your friend is walking in the flesh right now and not in the Spirit of God which we, as believers, know as Christianity.

That is not an ignorant passing of judgement on our part, it's a declaration of a fact, based on our knowledge of the Word of God.

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Justaguy, you've made your fare share of belittling remarks; who besides you, apparently, has time to sift through them all.

[juan77]

ALL QUOTES FROM NIV

1 Corinthians 6:9

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders..."

1 Corinthians 6:12

"Everything is permissible for me"

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paulo, i don't have to know the guy. i know Jesus. and i know that scripture makes it VERY plain that one who is unrepentant of their sin, regardless of what sin that is, will not enter the kingdom of heaven. furthermore i also know that scripture tells us that not everyone who thinks they know Him truly does, and that on the day of judgement, God will be handing out a lot of pink slips to people who thought they had heavenly security but didn't turn from their wickedness.

so no, it is not i who has passed judgement, it is God who has done so.

it's great that your friend has changed for the better in many ways. but he has NOT submitted to God, nor has he given his LIFE over to the potter's hands.

sorry, but that is just the way it is. that's God's word, not mine.

I totally agree that homosexuality is a sin.

But aren't all sins the same in God's eyes?

I am saved, but I smoke. I obviously have not submitted ALL of my life to God. That doesn't make me any less saved. And if sin is sin in God's eyes, then my sin of smoking is no different from someone else's sin of homosexuality.

God is working on me with my sin of smoking. He may also be working on this man's sin of homosexuality. We cannot know. But just because one accepts Christ, doesn't mean ALL their sinful behavior goes away over night. God knows our sins and He knows when to work on us in letting go of them. Right now, sometimes I want to let go of it, sometimes not so much ! But I'd like to receive the benefit of the doubt from others about my salvation. So I like to do the same for them. After all, it truly is between our heart and God!

Your body is a Temple for the Holy Spirit. You should care for it accordingly. I believe smoking is like eating a cheeseburger every day, for the rest of your life.

Homosexuality is not a health choice, however, it's called an abomination by God Himself. God did not use the word "abomination" on just any sin but He used it on homosexuality. There's a big difference.

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You could start a whole new thread on that.

[Guest LadyC]

as others have pointed out, scripture does not refer to smoking as a sin. and yes, tobacco existed even back then, as did other weeds/herbs/plants that no doubt were smoked. scripture does not refer to it at all. do i believe it to be a sin? i believe that it is like any number of other activities which God may deal one-on-one with an individual. for instance, eating meat. or eating fast food. or going out to a movie and wasting that much money that could be better used elsewhere. or playing penny poker with your brother on a saturday night. if an individual has been convicted by the Holy Spirit to quit, and doesn't, they're sinning. if they haven't been convicted by the Holy Spirit, then for them, at that time, they are not sinning.

homosexual acts, adultry, fornication, and all manner of sexual sin, on the other hand, HAVE been clearly defined in scripture... as well as a few other non-sexual sins. if we do not repent and make a sincere effort to turn from that behaviour, then we will not enter heaven.

maniac, if you'll run a search on smoking, you'll find a number of threads debating it... same for drinking.

[Guest LadyC]

justaguy, was it you or paulo, or someone else yesterday (day before?) who, when i pointed out that homosexual acts, like ALL sexual sin, heterosexual or homosexual, MUST be repented of and turned away from or we would not enter heaven, wasn't it you who tried to tell me to stick to the topic of homosexuality?

and if it WAS you, then isn't it a little ..... ummm..... contradictory now for you to say isaiah is making such a good call? funny what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.

but it may not have been you. there is another person on here defending homosexuality. there aren't many of you so please forgive me if i'm getting the two of you confused. i think i've even done that before in this thread.

my position has never changed. ANY sin that is defined by God that we refuse to turn away from is going to get us denied access at the gates of heaven.

including paulo's friend, until he repents of his gay lifestyle and lives his life for Jesus.

[Guest LadyC]

ya know, just because he abhors one sin greater than another sin does not mean he is willing to tolerate either sin. think about it. if your own kid sneaks out the window and heads off to the nearest party in the middle of the night, are you going to tolerate it any more than if he sneaks out and brutally rapes some innocent six year old kid? nope, but i bet you're going to find the latter to be more vile on a personal level.

God tolerates no sin. but he created man and woman in His own image, and their intimacy, the two of them joining in unison to become ONE, is a physical reflection of the triune nature of God.... it is more than a physical connection between a husband and wife. so of course God is going to be far more repulsed by the act of two men joining together as one flesh, because it totally perverts what He created sexuality for in the first place.