Good information on 'Born Gay' Studies

[rtwo]

Of all the back and forth on what seems to be a very touchy subject, I just wanted to chat about my aforementioned friend (and no, it's not me lol).

Her name is "Kelly". She's a music teacher, teaching young kids, all the way up to adults. She's great with all of them - very patient, and does her teaching in a very loving and nurturing style. Her professional life also transcends into her personal one. She volunteers at the animal hospital twice a week, as well as putting time at the hospital working with the senior citizens. In my eyes, she's the ultimate humanitarian.

She's also gay. And yes, she believes is Christ.

Now my whole problem with all of the anti-gay posts on this thread is this: we are all going to be judged. Are there passages in the Bible that condemn homosexuality? There seem to be. However, as I stated, they could just as easily be misinterpreted just as anything else in life. I don't doubt that the Bible is the word of God. A word that has, no matter how you look at it, been written down by man. And man makes mistakes.

I just mentioned the judgement. I told the story of Kelly to make a point. That being, she's a very loving, caring humanitarian. She works for people - for God's children. No one - not me, or anyone on these boards - can say what God will tell her on her judgement day. If being gay is a sin, then I would like to think that all of the good she does outweighs the bad. Anything else would be completely unfair.

Paulo, you can't claim to accept the Truth of God's word, or even the Divinity of Christ, and hold to the premise that whoever wrote scripture may have made a "mistake" at every passage you're personally uncomfortable with.

We know by Scripture that, though our "good" and "bad" deeds will be judged, our entrance to the Kingdom will not be based upon those things. The idea that God is "unfair" because He doesn't base Justice on how many "nice things" we do is ludicrous, and borders on blasphemy.

I'm sure your friend is a great person, but if she persists in giving into temptation, she is a sinner. This doesn't make her a bad human being, but she does need to repent of her sin and ask God for strength to overcome. I can certainly understand being bound, and even being tempted beyond, it would SEEM, what I can handle. But the Bible tells me that through Christ, I can do all things. I don't blame my sin on my "nature" or on how "God made me". Temptation is there because it's there. It's our duty to overcome through Christ, not to make excuses for giving in.

[None]

Romans 7:7-25 is a good example of our "nature" and how not to let it overcome us.

Romans 7:24-25

24)What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

25)Thanks be to God

[Guest]

Mercy! Mercy!

And having an high priest over the house of God;

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 10:21-31

He Is Worthy

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 1:9

[freedfromsin]

All homosexual activities is a choice. There is no such thing as being born homosexual.

http://www.newdirection.ca/a_biol.htm

For anyone who is interested, or if the topic ever comes up.

[rtwo]

All homosexual activities is a choice.

Well, I'll say it again... that's flawed logic. If it's a "choice" then everyone had to choose, meaning that we all had to choose to be straight as well.

Actually, -that's- flawed logic. My hair is dark brown. It was made that way. If it is blonde, it's because I chose for it to be blonde, and dyed it that way. I didn't choose for it to be brown -- it is.

[rtwo]

All homosexual activities is a choice.

Well, I'll say it again... that's flawed logic. If it's a "choice" then everyone had to choose, meaning that we all had to choose to be straight as well.

Actually, -that's- flawed logic. My hair is dark brown. It was made that way. If it is blonde, it's because I chose for it to be blonde, and dyed it that way. I didn't choose for it to be brown -- it is.

Then you wouldn't choose to be gay either.

-I- wouldn't. No. As I said before (and other as well), the -feeling- is what we call temptation. We make a choice as to whether or not we're going to give in. You've never been tempted to be gay -- bravo! Neither have I. Others are, and some give in.

[None]

It is lucky to never have had those feelings and temptations and we who haven't should be grateful for that. That's why I feel very sorry for people who've been caught in the trap of popular opinion, especially when it's society giving excuses to commit an abominable act, because when they wake up and realize what it is they're trapped in and how hard it is to get out, they're going to be furious with society. Sometimes people aren't made aware until they're about to die and then it's too late.

[Guest]

All homosexual activities is a choice.

Well, I'll say it again... that's flawed logic. If it's a "choice" then everyone had to choose, meaning that we all had to choose to be straight as well.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:23

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mark 5:18

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Isaiah 1:18

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mark 1:15

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

[Guest LadyC]

no paulo, you're logic is flawed. in fact, it's beyond flawed because you're not looking at anything with logic. you're looking at it with kneejerk reaction based on emotional feelings.

the statement was that all homosexual ACTIVITY is a choice. you aren't born having sex with anyone of any gender. even IF (which i absolutely disbelieve) a person was "born gay", they still have a choice whether to have sexual relations with someone.

period.

as humans, we are all born as sexual beings. there is no doubt about that. none whatsoever. yet being born a heterosexual does NOT excuse a straight person for acting on their sexuality in inappropriate ways or at inappropriate times, etc. in short, we have the CHOICE to keep our zippers up.

for you to insist that a gay person doesn't have the same choice to keep THEIR zipper up is just plain absurd.

[None]

People HAVE overcome homosexuality so that is a broad blanket you're laying out there.

People go to jail for rape and crimes against children. As it should be. Those are two entirely different topics.

One is forcing your perversion on someone else and one is being caught up in a your own sexual problems.