The Toronto Blessing, and Benny Hinn, etc

[RGR]

Maybe it's time that everyone step back and take a breather?

[st. Worm]

Prophecies are given for a reason. If a prophecy is given, and then circumstances change, the prophecy will not come to pass. If a prophecy is given, and great amonts of intercessory prayer go up, or people repent; then it will not come to pass. This is Biblical. That is why Jonah was so mad that the people of Ninevah repented. When they repented, it turned God's wrath. It made Jonah look like a false prophet.

Jonah was mad the people of Ninevah repented because Ninevah was the capital of Assyria, Israel's enemy.

That is what the Sunday School Bible stories say. I think if you will re-read the book, you will come to the conclusion that He was mad because his prophecy did not come true. It made him look like a false prophet.

It matters not why Jonah was mad. The Bible says God relented because Ninevah repented. The circumstances of Hinn's Prophecies have not changed, in fact they've gotten worse. Yet his prophecies have not come true, and thus as scripture says we are not to listen to him as He does not speak for the Lord. He's a false prophet.

Now I could understand the reaction of "I'll go investigate this and if what you say is correct I will stand with you/pray for him/repudiate any support of him"...as this would mean that you have not heard these things and are hesitant to believe them but...want to know the truth.

I don't understand trying to justify his teachings though.

I have followed the ministry of Hinn for many years. He is not perfect, but most of the attacks on him are unjustified. He has replaced Kenneth Copeland as the front man in the Pentecostal church to receive persecution. I have not been able to thooughly investigate the quotes of Hinn. I do not have the audio recordings of them. However, several years ago, the same type things came out about Copeland. Most people jumped on the Copeland is a Heretic bandwagon. The truth was Copeland was taken totally out of context. When the smoke cleared, Copeland had said absolutely nothing wrong. He had been correctly quoted, but the qualifiers to the quotes (which he plainly stated and were very critical) had been left out by the Copeland bashers.

As to whether the circumstances of the prophecies have changed, I can not say. Castro's regime has greatly softened. I do see the homosexual community as being judged. etc. Knowing that Hinn has always been staunchly against date setting the return of Jesus, I would simply have to see the Interview in which he said that. I am not saying he did not say it, I am simply saying that unless I heard him say it in full context, I just can not believe he said it. He is, and has been too opposed to date setting. Unfortunately, some christian websites are quite biased. There have been several "christian watchdogs" in recent history, who have ended up having to apologise for their "heretic hunt."

Man, that is just pure spin.

[RGR]

Jonah 1:1 The word of the Lord came to Jonah son of Amittai: 2 "Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me."

He didn't say "prophesy" but "preach!"

Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.

Key word is "threatened" and not "promised!"

Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here

Again, preached and not prophesied!

[billie]

Nowhere, in the Book of Jonah does it say Jonah preached repent. Jonah preached"yet 40 days and Ninevah shall be overthrown." Jonah said Ninevah will be overthrown in 40 days. The Bible does not say Jonah preached repent. The Bible says he prophesied a city's fall in 40 days. Ninevah repented. The prophecy was not going to come true. Jonah said "it is better for me to die than to live." Why did Jonah say this? It was not because he hated Ninevah as bad as you say. It was because in his mind he appeared to be a false prophet.

In his mind? How does one know what's going on in our friend Jonah's mind from the text? Where have you gotten this "false prophet" idea? I'm not trying to be rude. I hope I'm not offending you. I really want to understand where you're coming from on this. I went and read Jonah just to try and see if I could fit what you're saying in there, but I can't see it. Help me out.

[firehill]

Jonah 1:1 The word of the Lord came to Jonah son of Amittai: 2 "Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me."

He didn't say "prophesy" but "preach!"

Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.

Key word is "threatened" and not "promised!"

Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here

Again, preached and not prophesied!

What did Jonah Do? He prophesied. He said " yet 40 days and Nineveh shall be overthrown!" Jonah Prophesied.

Ahem, if it was prophesied the destruction would have occured no doubt.

[billie]

Jonah did not go preach repentance. He went and prophesied destruction. When he found that his prophesied destruction was not going to come to pass, he became very mad. He was so upset and angry He wished death upon himself. They only logical reason he would be so upset to want to die is because he thought he would be seen as a false prophet. The fact that Nineveh was going to be spared was not enough to make Jonah want to die. Jonah was a selfish person. He was upset that He was going to look like a false propet because his promised destruction was not going to happen.

Now, see, to me, the only logical reason he was upset was because he hated Ninevah so much. That's why he didn't want to go in the first place:

Jon 4:2 He prayed to the LORD,"O Lord, is this not what I said when I was still at home?That is why I was so quick to flee to Tarshish.I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God,slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.

He knew it wasn't a done deal from the beginning. Why would anyone think him a false prophet when the outcome wasn't yet determined?

[RGR]

Jonah did not go preach repentance. He went and prophesied destruction. When he found that his prophesied destruction was not going to come to pass, he became very mad. He was so upset and angry He wished death upon himself. They only logical reason he would be so upset to want to die is because he thought he would be seen as a false prophet. The fact that Nineveh was going to be spared was not enough to make Jonah want to die. Jonah was a selfish person. He was upset that He was going to look like a false propet because his promised destruction was not going to happen.

Now, see, to me, the only logical reason he was upset was because he hated Ninevah so much. That's why he didn't want to go in the first place:

Jon 4:2 He prayed to the LORD,"O Lord, is this not what I said when I was still at home?That is why I was so quick to flee to Tarshish.I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God,slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.

He knew it wasn't a done deal from the beginning. Why would anyone think him a false prophet when the outcome wasn't yet determined?

:wub:

[followerofjesus]

Lord our prayer is to open the eyes of the blind. Lord please I beg you for the sake of our brothers & sisters.

[st. Worm]

Jesus said,

[LadyRaven]

No, I think the Homosexual community is being destroyed by Fire. It is being ravaged by AIDS.

So....what about lesbians? They've got less chance of catching AIDS than a straight person. Where's their fire? And what about people who've gotten it through blood transfusions? What are they being judged for?

:24:

Unfortunately, when sin arises It also affects innocent people as well. Aids is not a profound in the Lesbian community as it is in the Male gay community. It still exists and is taking a toll on the lesbian community.

If it's affecting others, then it's not God's judgement on a group of people. That would be like saying that if the people of Nineveh didn't repent at the preaching of Jonah, God also punishing Israel for something that Nineveh did!

Just a quick hole in your theory. The city of Sodom. Every inhabitant of the city was not Homosexual. Kids etc. With the exception of Lot and his family, they all died.

God told Abraham he'd not destroy Sodom if he could find 10 righteous people in it, but he destroyed it anyway because there weren't.