The Toronto Blessing, and Benny Hinn, etc

[st. Worm]

Hello? Is there anyone who could spare a few words to clue a girl in? What in the world is the Toronto Blessing?

Ok, Billie...sorry....the only advice I can really give you is what you gave me the other day...do a search of the toronto blessing and you will hopefully find what I am talking about... I can't say for sure, because I have not done a search on the subject for a long time...

But basically, it is a supposed spiritual revival, where members of the congregation perform such things as rolling in the aisles in hysterical laughter, barking like dogs, etc, and all this supposedly under the annointing of God's Spirit.

This seems to be infectious towards anyone who comes in contact with it, including the pastors of my church, who went to Toronto and came back singing the praises of it. I am VERY wary. A LOT of people have left my church because of it, which I myself see as an 'alien' doctrine.

please enlighten me, somebody

What more enlightening to do you need? None of this has anything to do with the Christian faith. What about these hoaxes make you believe they are the work of anyone other than the devil and his allies? Of course, this is the neo-pentacostal movement brought to its ultimate conclusion, pure emotionalism and mental manipulation. If your pastors are involved with it you should consider another church - pronto.

sw

[sweetycakes]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

[billie]

Yes, Stephen, unfortunately, your pastors have been decieved. I go to a nondenominational church, and our P&W is great, upbeat and joyful at times, soft and reverent at times. My pastor's made it clear these "Toronto" things aren't of God and we don't do those sorts of things in our church.

[st. Worm]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

Respectfully disagree since you appear to be open to compromise to the truth of God's Word. I cannot stand together and find common ground with those who are in such error. People like Hinn use the term Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. His Jesus is nothing more than a genie from a bottle. Your pastors and associate pastors are deceived if they believe these things. At some point you must make a decision to either leave or risk making shipwreck of your own faith by staying.

sw

[sweetycakes]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

Respectfully disagree since you appear to be open to compromise to the truth of God's Word. I cannot stand together and find common ground with those who are in such error. People like Hinn use the term Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. His Jesus is nothing more than a genie from a bottle. Your pastors and associate pastors are deceived if they believe these things. At some point you must make a decision to either leave or risk making shipwreck of your own faith by staying.

sw

Not correct, St.Worm.

I am very wary at all times regarding these things. It's just that sometimes I seem to be in the minority here regarding these things. I left the church in question, a pentecostal, but am feeling very lonely and needy in recent months for fellowship of true Christians. Who is a true Christian nowadays?

[st. Worm]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

Respectfully disagree since you appear to be open to compromise to the truth of God's Word. I cannot stand together and find common ground with those who are in such error. People like Hinn use the term Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. His Jesus is nothing more than a genie from a bottle. Your pastors and associate pastors are deceived if they believe these things. At some point you must make a decision to either leave or risk making shipwreck of your own faith by staying.

sw

Not correct, St.Worm.

I am very wary at all times regarding these things. It's just that sometimes I seem to be in the minority here regarding these things. I left the church in question, a pentecostal, but am feeling very lonely and needy in recent months for fellowship of true Christians. Who is a true Christian nowadays?

Luther defined a true church as one where the gospel is preached and the sacraments are properly administered. I hesitate to get into a discussion in open forum about good churches and bad churches since it will turn into a free for all. If you wish to PM me I will try to help.

I do understand how you feel. When one has to leave a church that has fallen into bad doctrine often friends get left behind too and it can be verying trying.

sw

[FailedChristian]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

Respectfully disagree since you appear to be open to compromise to the truth of God's Word. I cannot stand together and find common ground with those who are in such error. People like Hinn use the term Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. His Jesus is nothing more than a genie from a bottle. Your pastors and associate pastors are deceived if they believe these things. At some point you must make a decision to either leave or risk making shipwreck of your own faith by staying.

sw

Not correct, St.Worm.

I am very wary at all times regarding these things. It's just that sometimes I seem to be in the minority here regarding these things. I left the church in question, a pentecostal, but am feeling very lonely and needy in recent months for fellowship of true Christians. Who is a true Christian nowadays?

None of the televangelists...that's for sure. I include Billy Graham.

no "fellowship" exists...start being a friend to the alien, to the dspossessed, to the widow, the orphan...Do you want as your inheriatnce the lost? Why go to try and find the found?

Go seek the lost...find true fellowship that way.

[st. Worm]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

Respectfully disagree since you appear to be open to compromise to the truth of God's Word. I cannot stand together and find common ground with those who are in such error. People like Hinn use the term Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. His Jesus is nothing more than a genie from a bottle. Your pastors and associate pastors are deceived if they believe these things. At some point you must make a decision to either leave or risk making shipwreck of your own faith by staying.

sw

Not correct, St.Worm.

I am very wary at all times regarding these things. It's just that sometimes I seem to be in the minority here regarding these things. I left the church in question, a pentecostal, but am feeling very lonely and needy in recent months for fellowship of true Christians. Who is a true Christian nowadays?

None of the televangelists...that's for sure. I include Billy Graham.

no "fellowship" exists...start being a friend to the alien, to the dspossessed, to the widow, the orphan...Do you want as your inheriatnce the lost? Why go to try and find the found?

Go seek the lost...find true fellowship that way.

Please don't confuse the poster any further by implying a solid church and Christian fellowship are not of the ultimate importance for a believer. I don't know if you are one of the anti-church people that frequent this board but this is not the time for your agenda if so.

sw

[FailedChristian]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

Respectfully disagree since you appear to be open to compromise to the truth of God's Word. I cannot stand together and find common ground with those who are in such error. People like Hinn use the term Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. His Jesus is nothing more than a genie from a bottle. Your pastors and associate pastors are deceived if they believe these things. At some point you must make a decision to either leave or risk making shipwreck of your own faith by staying.

sw

Not correct, St.Worm.

I am very wary at all times regarding these things. It's just that sometimes I seem to be in the minority here regarding these things. I left the church in question, a pentecostal, but am feeling very lonely and needy in recent months for fellowship of true Christians. Who is a true Christian nowadays?

None of the televangelists...that's for sure. I include Billy Graham.

no "fellowship" exists...start being a friend to the alien, to the dspossessed, to the widow, the orphan...Do you want as your inheriatnce the lost? Why go to try and find the found?

Go seek the lost...find true fellowship that way.

Please don't confuse the poster any further by implying a solid church and Christian fellowship are not of the ultimate importance for a believer. I don't know if you are one of the anti-church people that frequent this board but this is not the time for your agenda if so.

sw

Oh, it's time for YOUR agenda. (edit)

And, by the way I AM a christian, just anti-lies.

Edited August 9, 2006 by IslandRose

[FailedChristian]

I'm very glad to be having the support of the members of this forum, it seems, regarding this. But why are the pastors, and associate pastors of my church succumbing to this, what I call deceptive nonsense? This is an issue which has deeply divided my church in recent years. Ok, I don't agree with the catholic and C of E style of church, which is staid, stagnant, etc, and do agree with freedom of worship, but where to draw the line? I despair, I really do.

Listen, in my opinion, the enemy in these days is more deceptive than we EVER gave him credit for. I know that Jesus is Lord of all. We must stand together to find a common ground for believing and speaking what we believe.

..."if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."

Respectfully disagree since you appear to be open to compromise to the truth of God's Word. I cannot stand together and find common ground with those who are in such error. People like Hinn use the term Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. His Jesus is nothing more than a genie from a bottle. Your pastors and associate pastors are deceived if they believe these things. At some point you must make a decision to either leave or risk making shipwreck of your own faith by staying.

sw

Not correct, St.Worm.

I am very wary at all times regarding these things. It's just that sometimes I seem to be in the minority here regarding these things. I left the church in question, a pentecostal, but am feeling very lonely and needy in recent months for fellowship of true Christians. Who is a true Christian nowadays?

None of the televangelists...that's for sure. I include Billy Graham.

no "fellowship" exists...start being a friend to the alien, to the dspossessed, to the widow, the orphan...Do you want as your inheriatnce the lost? Why go to try and find the found?

Go seek the lost...find true fellowship that way.

Please don't confuse the poster any further by implying a solid church and Christian fellowship are not of the ultimate importance for a believer. I don't know if you are one of the anti-church people that frequent this board but this is not the time for your agenda if so.

sw

And I am not anti-church. The reasoning is this...If you seek out the lonely, and there is a church trying to seek out the lonely...you will find your place in a church that is trying to find the lonely people, like the widow, the orphan. Unfortunately, I have not seen ANY church fulfilling that mandate.