Dangerous Heresy

[Floatingaxe]

LadyRaven you are so right....................I was in the WOF movement for years and the things you quote are really what these men teach.

This is something I wrote a while back, it's called Roadmap of a new religion.........It is obvious false doctrine yet people keep giving their money to support it!

Road map of the new religion.

God makes man in his image. He makes him a little god. His name is Adam and he was made on terms of equality with God(KH) Adam was in the presence of God without any consciousness of inferiority(KH) He is not even subordinate to God(KC) He is made a god of earth. He is given all authority of the Earth and he could fly. He flew to space.(BH)

Then God became the greatest failure in the Bible.(KC) Adam sins and gives his lordship authority to satan. Now satan is God of Earth. God cannot do anything because he is bound by spiritual laws. God is on the outside looking in(KC) The only way God can come back in is by making covenents with men.

[apothanein kerdos]

At the risk of being run out of town-------- I do not disagree with ALL of these statements! Some of them are true. This is the trouble with labelling people---disagree, yes, but to claim that all they say is wrong doctrine? No. I disagree with some people here in Worthy, and they disagree with me too, but on some points--major ones--we all agree. This tendency to label people for some common beliefs reveals to me a fear of such magnitude...almost to hatred. It is very unpleasant to witness.

What in the world do you agree with in there? ALmost every single sentence is absolute heresy if not flirting heavily with such a thing.

[Floatingaxe]

You know what, AK? I admit I am mistaken. I jumped the gun when I replied previously. I hadn't read all of those quotes, but read one that I agreed with if expounded on reasonably. I went back and read all of them and I am in agreement that they are out of line with the Word of God as I understand it.

So, I retract my statement about my agreement with the above quotes. My apologies!

*Yummy! Humble pie ain't all that bad!*

[apothanein kerdos]

You know what, AK? I admit I am mistaken. I jumped the gun when I replied previously. I hadn't read all of those quotes, but read one that I agreed with if expounded on reasonably. I went back and read all of them and I am in agreement that they are out of line with the Word of God as I understand it.

So, I retract my statement about my agreement with the above quotes. My apologies!

*Yummy! Humble pie ain't all that bad!*

Not a problem. Everyone does that at least once a year.

[Jorge S]

Keep on going, LadyRaven. I'm thoroughly enjoying your posts.

God Bless!

[LadyRaven]

You know what, AK? I admit I am mistaken. I jumped the gun when I replied previously. I hadn't read all of those quotes, but read one that I agreed with if expounded on reasonably. I went back and read all of them and I am in agreement that they are out of line with the Word of God as I understand it.

So, I retract my statement about my agreement with the above quotes. My apologies!

*Yummy! Humble pie ain't all that bad!*

Luvs ya hun...

Some of that sounded alot like something I read in the counter cult book I'd gotten from CRI years ago. Most of them were outright heretical but some of them were so...strange...that it was just more strange than dangerous (like at one time man could fly). It CAME from a heretical understanding of God and man's nature, however it was at least to me so strange that it ceased to be dangerous in and of itself.

[LadyRaven]

At the risk of being run out of town-------- I do NOT disagree with ALL of these statements! Some of them are true. Surely, some of them, if quoted correctly and in context would be wrong! This is the trouble with labelling people---disagree, yes, but to claim that all they say is wrong doctrine? No. I disagree with some people here in Worthy, and they disagree with me too, but on some points--major ones--we all agree. This tendency to label people for some common beliefs reveals to me a fear of such magnitude...almost to hatred. It is very unpleasant to witness.

Not every single thing that WOF teachers teach is heresy because WOF does not address every single doctrinal issue known to man. However, what it does address is a system of understanding faith, God and man...a theological system based on and filled with heresy.

I agree with you that its dangerous to call everything we disagree with heresy, not all of it is, and not all of the doctrines I find offensive are heretical. A person could still believe the gospel and be saved. But..when it gets into believing in "another gospel" you put people's souls at risk. That is the nature of heresy, it changes the gospel to the point where it is totally incompatible with the way of salvation in the Bible. Word-Faith is one of those cases.

Unfortunately, because it's taught in Charismatic and Pentecostal type churches and those who criticise it typically are cessationists, many mistake an attack on Word Faith as an attack on our more bouncy brothers and sisters. I sincerely disagree with their doctrine but will not call them heretics just because they like to dance around and they believe they need to get an extra work of God to be baptised in the Holy Spirit. Word of Faith, though, is separate and much different than this.

I sincerely extend the hand of fellowship to my more bouncy bretheren (and sisteren), and any who I disagree with who are within the realm of orthodoxy still. I pray for the many who are being decieved, and I pray imprecatory prayers over those who lead the sheep to destruction by teaching them false doctrine. I believe this is what we should do.

[WayneB]

Heretical doctrine should be pointed out and teachers of that doctrine should be ostracised, do you not agree?

Yes I do.

LadyRaven, I compliment you on a good presentation of fact not based on conjecture but supported with references. I have seen many of these type discussions before and they usually end in a heated debate because people approach the discussion armed with opinion and little to no fact supported by references. You, on the other hand, provided references and Scripture. Well done!

May the Lord Bless you richly,

Wayne

[nebula]

Unfortunately, because it's taught in Charismatic and Pentecostal type churches and those who criticise it typically are cessationists, many mistake an attack on Word Faith as an attack on our more bouncy brothers and sisters.

This is so true!

Thank you for pointing this out.

And I hope people understand.

[Floatingaxe]

All these labels are making me dizzy! Now, what is a cessationist?