Spiritual cultivation equals God

[ayin jade]

Manji, the bible is clear. These things you are doing isnt of the Lord. These are teachings of a false religion, one that takes away from God. This is something you must turn away from. You are in serious danger of being led astray through these teachings.

[ayin jade]

So, when I meditate to be present. TO keep the mind present with the body. To not think of the future or the past and to just focus on the present by concentrating or focusing on the breath so, that I am not Fragmented and not lose touch with a holistic sense of myself. That is of the devil? Show me an educated priest that would actually explain why this form of meditation is of the devil. I would really like to read it.

Last I heard from two other hardcore Christians, they said that their Pastors explained to them that meditation is not wrong. That meditation is good.

Do you still consider meditation of the devil?

Meditation as you are describing it IS of the devil. The emphasis is on self, not on the only true Living Lord. He calls us to meditate on His Word, not on keeping the mind present with the body in a holistic way. This is NOT of God. You need to turn away from this.

[Floatingaxe]

1. Life means suffering.

While life is not always a bed of roses--it is not meant to be one of suffering when you come to Christ...in Jesus we are reconciled to God. With Jesus, we have His authority over the devil.

John 10:10

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment

The only thing we are attached to is the world and self. The world system is Satan's realm. Without Christ, we have no hope of overcoming that pull on our lives.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

What you wrote is not true in the least. That is erroneous and of the devil. There is no truth to your statement that suffering can be eradicated through human activity. Nothing man can do can alleviate it, or erase it. The only way out of suffering is by Jesus Christ and you have completely negated His atoning sacrifice! You are propogating a lie from Hell.

attaining happiness by understanding the nature of all things can cause an experience of happiness so great that you know it is the love of God

There is no happiness apart from knowing Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

[Manji]

Manji, the bible is clear. These things you are doing isnt of the Lord. These are teachings of a false religion, one that takes away from God. This is something you must turn away from. You are in serious danger of being led astray through these teachings.

Can you explain more on why you say that? Because the Bible is not clear about understanding the nature of all things as being impermanent is a sin. Sorry but the Bible probably doesn't say that. When I think about that, I am turning away from God? When I practice Yoga I am turning away from God? When I meditate, I am turning away from God? Surely that can not be the case.

[ayin jade]

You are practicing the teachings of a false religion. That is something God commands us to turn away from.

[Manji]

So, when I meditate to be present. TO keep the mind present with the body. To not think of the future or the past and to just focus on the present by concentrating or focusing on the breath so, that I am not Fragmented and not lose touch with a holistic sense of myself. That is of the devil? Show me an educated priest that would actually explain why this form of meditation is of the devil. I would really like to read it.

Last I heard from two other hardcore Christians, they said that their Pastors explained to them that meditation is not wrong. That meditation is good.

Do you still consider meditation of the devil?

Meditation as you are describing it IS of the devil. The emphasis is on self, not on the only true Living Lord. He calls us to meditate on His Word, not on keeping the mind present with the body in a holistic way. This is NOT of God. You need to turn away from this.

How is meditation that I am talking about is of the devil? I mean, how? So, to focus on the present moment is a sin? No way...

It sounds like you are saying, drawing a picture of a tree for self satisfactions is not of the living God so it is a sin. Am I right?

[Floatingaxe]

Manji, the bible is clear. These things you are doing isnt of the Lord. These are teachings of a false religion, one that takes away from God. This is something you must turn away from. You are in serious danger of being led astray through these teachings.

Can you explain more on why you say that? Because the Bible is not clear about understanding the nature of all things as being impermanent is a sin. Sorry but the Bible probably doesn't say that. When I think about that, I am turning away from God? When I practice Yoga I am turning away from God? When I meditate, I am turning away from God? Surely that can not be the case.

Yes it is the case.

[Manji]

You are practicing the teachings of a false religion. That is something God commands us to turn away from.

There is nothing I have practiced that conflicts with the Christian God. Not, meditation, not mindfulness. There's no way you can say God forbids concentrating on the present moment is a sin. How in the world, can focusing on the present moment be a sin against God. That's just mathmatically, and conductively impossible. You just can't do it. It is not possible.

[Floatingaxe]

Please don't kid yourself, Manji. You have tried to kid us earlier!

[Manji]

Please don't kid yourself, Manji. You have tried to kid us earlier!

How am I kidding myself by what I just said. Is that all you are gonna say? Dude, why don't YOU quit kidding me? How about that brother?