Spiritual cultivation equals God

[cjrose]

Thanks for the kind advice floatingaxe. I will give that a try. I have read any scripture in a while because it can be hard for me to understand at times. But what I am talking about is not something to get know but something you experience at every waking moment. A state of mind a being and experience that courses through you because you are centered and understanding the nature of all or most things. I will read some scripture though.

But the point I want to make is that, in my opinion, experiencing God is something any person can have if there heart is open or if they are spiritually sensitive to God. A teacher can be clever enough to open this to a student. Can communicate to him in a way that touches him to awaken. Sorta like the red dot in Indea. WE can open that third eye. As we become more spiritually sensitive or understand the nature of all things. You see, it's not the story of someone's life you read that you get it, but rather you apply concepts to your everyday life that the more you begin to understand the nature of all things.

God is what gives us the openess to recieve the knowledge of life. I give all the glory to Him who fills me with the fullfilment that there are things I didn't understand before and now have become aware of.

[Manji]

Thanks for the kind advice floatingaxe. I will give that a try. I have read any scripture in a while because it can be hard for me to understand at times. But what I am talking about is not something to get know but something you experience at every waking moment. A state of mind a being and experience that courses through you because you are centered and understanding the nature of all or most things. I will read some scripture though.

But the point I want to make is that, in my opinion, experiencing God is something any person can have if there heart is open or if they are spiritually sensitive to God. A teacher can be clever enough to open this to a student. Can communicate to him in a way that touches him to awaken. Sorta like the red dot in Indea. WE can open that third eye. As we become more spiritually sensitive or understand the nature of all things. You see, it's not the story of someone's life you read that you get it, but rather you apply concepts to your everyday life that the more you begin to understand the nature of all things.

God is what gives us the openess to recieve the knowledge of life. I give all the glory to Him who fills me with the fullfilment that there are things I didn't understand before and now have become aware of.

Be more spacific. Really try to explain exactly what that is. What is it precisely that God gives you that gives you the knowledge of life. that fills you with fullfilment? Because, that which you are describing I am describing. God has given me the openess to recieve the knowledge if life. As I spiritually grow, that is what I recieve. This is what you mean right?

[billie]

I appreciate your apply very much. I agree that it is dangerous to for me make an opinion or speak of Christianity because I am not very knowledgable of it. But that is really beside the point. All I am saying is that, when I started to put things into perspective I began to feel God's presense. All can have this. It is not neccessarily experienced through scripture and can be experienced through applying concepts to everyday life. realization. What do you think of that? Agree? Disagree?

I just want you to have a realistic view of what Christianity is and isn't. I so admire your inquisitive nature.

Thre are so many people out there who will try to get you to think that it doesn't matter what you believe, so long as you're sincere. That's just not so. It matters to God. He wants you to believe Him. There is such s thing as absolute truth. This is contrary to many people's worldview of "don't rock the boat". God wants you to rock the boat. He desires us to seek Him out because He wants a real intimate relationship with us. I believe what you're feeling is very real and God desires you to know Him. The Bible says He knows each and every one of us so well He even knows how many hairs are on our head. He wants you to know Him this way as well. The Bible says Jesus stands at the door of every man's heart and knocks. If we will let Him in, He will come in and make His home inside us and eat with us(in Jesus' culture, dining with someone was a very intimate thing, you only shared a meal with those very close)and we will never be alone again. Please get a Bible and read it. This is one way God communicates with us. Start in Matthew. This is the first of four consecutive accounts of Jesus' life in the Bible. The other thing I'd like to ask you to do is pray. All this is is talking to that"presence" you feel. Ask Him to show Himself to you. He will. You're so, so right that all can have this. The Bible says God wills that all should come to everlasting life, to knowing Him. He loves us all. He made us all. Applying concepts to everyday life, but where do the concepts come from? Maybe a word I'd use instead of realization would be revelation. The concepts are God-revealed. The concepts were always there. We just didn't realize them, like you said, until God reveals them. You're on the right track. Keep pressing in.

[Manji]

I appreciate your apply very much. I agree that it is dangerous to for me make an opinion or speak of Christianity because I am not very knowledgable of it. But that is really beside the point. All I am saying is that, when I started to put things into perspective I began to feel God's presense. All can have this. It is not neccessarily experienced through scripture and can be experienced through applying concepts to everyday life. realization. What do you think of that? Agree? Disagree?

I just want you to have a realistic view of what Christianity is and isn't. I so admire your inquisitive nature.

Thre are so many people out there who will try to get you to think that it doesn't matter what you believe, so long as you're sincere. That's just not so. It matters to God. He wants you to believe Him. There is such s thing as absolute truth. This is contrary to many people's worldview of "don't rock the boat". God wants you to rock the boat. He desires us to seek Him out because He wants a real intimate relationship with us. I believe what you're feeling is very real and God desires you to know Him. The Bible says He knows each and every one of us so well He even knows how many hairs are on our head. He wants you to know Him this way as well. The Bible says Jesus stands at the door of every man's heart and knocks. If we will let Him in, He will come in and make His home inside us and eat with us(in Jesus' culture, dining with someone was a very intimate thing, you only shared a meal with those very close)and we will never be alone again. Please get a Bible and read it. This is one way God communicates with us. Start in Matthew. This is the first of four consecutive accounts of Jesus' life in the Bible. The other thing I'd like to ask you to do is pray. All this is is talking to that"presence" you feel. Ask Him to show Himself to you. He will. You're so, so right that all can have this. The Bible says God wills that all should come to everlasting life, to knowing Him. He loves us all. He made us all. Applying concepts to everyday life, but where do the concepts come from? Maybe a word I'd use instead of realization would be revelation. The concepts are God-revealed. The concepts were always there. We just didn't realize them, like you said, until God reveals them. You're on the right track. Keep pressing in.

Your reply is really nice. I think in the same way you are trying to get me to realize I am trying to get you to realize. I am just saying that by putting life into perspective I felt a strong force of happiness flowing through me and I asked myself if this feeling is something comeing from me. I thought it had to be of God. I;m very sure that it is. I think one way to experience this is through spiritual cultivation by understand that the world is impermenant thus life is suffering and we are not in paradise. That the cause of the suffering is not only because we live in a world of suffering but also we cling to the impermanent things that causes you to suffer in the world of suffering. But when you begin to realize that by dispassion to the impermanent things you will not suffer because you are not attached. When tempation or hinderances come and go cause you realize they cause suffering and you see that so you don't act on it that helps in liberating from suffering. As you go on and live this way you become spiritually sensitive. And as you are spiritually more sensitive the more you can experience God. Like, God is talking to us all the time but when start listening we can hear. The same way the world can hinder us from hearing God it can motivate us to listen because we desire to not suffer anymore. It is that spirtual journey that this experience is possible. You really don't have to talk about God, you can experience God. And it is really awesome.

Edited August 22, 2006 by Manji

[Floatingaxe]

Manji---you cannot really know God at all without knowing Jesus Christ. Jesus is the provision He has provided whereby we can have that relationship. We become reconciled to God through Jesus by His sacrifice.

Therefore, in response to your thread's title: Spiritual cultivation cannot equal/reach God, unless one accepts Jesus Christ.

[billie]

Manji---you cannot really know God at all without knowing Jesus Christ. Jesus is the provision He has provided whereby we can have that relationship. We become reconciled to God through Jesus by His sacrifice.

Therefore, in response to your thread's title: Spiritual cultivation cannot equal/reach God, unless one accepts Jesus Christ.

[cjrose]

Thanks for the kind advice floatingaxe. I will give that a try. I have read any scripture in a while because it can be hard for me to understand at times. But what I am talking about is not something to get know but something you experience at every waking moment. A state of mind a being and experience that courses through you because you are centered and understanding the nature of all or most things. I will read some scripture though.

But the point I want to make is that, in my opinion, experiencing God is something any person can have if there heart is open or if they are spiritually sensitive to God. A teacher can be clever enough to open this to a student. Can communicate to him in a way that touches him to awaken. Sorta like the red dot in Indea. WE can open that third eye. As we become more spiritually sensitive or understand the nature of all things. You see, it's not the story of someone's life you read that you get it, but rather you apply concepts to your everyday life that the more you begin to understand the nature of all things.

God is what gives us the openess to recieve the knowledge of life. I give all the glory to Him who fills me with the fullfilment that there are things I didn't understand before and now have become aware of.

Be more spacific. Really try to explain exactly what that is. What is it precisely that God gives you that gives you the knowledge of life. that fills you with fullfilment? Because, that which you are describing I am describing. God has given me the openess to recieve the knowledge if life. As I spiritually grow, that is what I recieve. This is what you mean right?

I believe we are saying basically the same thing. When you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior, I believe our spirits live on a higher plane and are given the gift of wisdom and knowledge like just knowing that God's word is the truth, like stepping in to the light from the darkness. That's what it's like for me and as I grow more in my Sprituality, I learn more as God allows. Just as you pray and meditate on Him you rise to a higher level and become more spiritual and with that comes more knowledge.

I just had to come back and edit this post to ask you, since I haven't read the entire thread, have you accepted Jesus because billie is correct, you cannot get to God except through the Son and with the Son comes the spiritual gifts and knowledge.

If you have not accepted Jesus then we are not talking about the same thing. Pagans believe they have the knowlege because of their love of mother earth but are also contradictory in their teachings because they also believe in witchcraft which goes against God all together.

[Manji]

Thanks for the kind advice floatingaxe. I will give that a try. I have read any scripture in a while because it can be hard for me to understand at times. But what I am talking about is not something to get know but something you experience at every waking moment. A state of mind a being and experience that courses through you because you are centered and understanding the nature of all or most things. I will read some scripture though.

But the point I want to make is that, in my opinion, experiencing God is something any person can have if there heart is open or if they are spiritually sensitive to God. A teacher can be clever enough to open this to a student. Can communicate to him in a way that touches him to awaken. Sorta like the red dot in Indea. WE can open that third eye. As we become more spiritually sensitive or understand the nature of all things. You see, it's not the story of someone's life you read that you get it, but rather you apply concepts to your everyday life that the more you begin to understand the nature of all things.

God is what gives us the openess to recieve the knowledge of life. I give all the glory to Him who fills me with the fullfilment that there are things I didn't understand before and now have become aware of.

Be more spacific. Really try to explain exactly what that is. What is it precisely that God gives you that gives you the knowledge of life. that fills you with fullfilment? Because, that which you are describing I am describing. God has given me the openess to recieve the knowledge if life. As I spiritually grow, that is what I recieve. This is what you mean right?

I believe we are saying basically the same thing. When you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior, I believe our spirits live on a higher plane and are given the gift of wisdom and knowledge like just knowing that God's word is the truth, like stepping in to the light from the darkness. That's what it's like for me and as I grow more in my Sprituality, I learn more as God allows. Just as you pray and meditate on Him you rise to a higher level and become more spiritual and with that comes more knowledge.

I just had to come back and edit this post to ask you, since I haven't read the entire thread, have you accepted Jesus because billie is correct, you cannot get to God except through the Son and with the Son comes the spiritual gifts and knowledge.

If you have not accepted Jesus then we are not talking about the same thing. Pagans believe they have the knowlege because of their love of mother earth but are also contradictory in their teachings because they also believe in witchcraft which goes against God all together.

I have accepted Jesus. By awakening to the nature of all things, is when you experience God. I experienced that.

[Manji]

Thanks for the kind advice floatingaxe. I will give that a try. I have read any scripture in a while because it can be hard for me to understand at times. But what I am talking about is not something to get know but something you experience at every waking moment. A state of mind a being and experience that courses through you because you are centered and understanding the nature of all or most things. I will read some scripture though.

But the point I want to make is that, in my opinion, experiencing God is something any person can have if there heart is open or if they are spiritually sensitive to God. A teacher can be clever enough to open this to a student. Can communicate to him in a way that touches him to awaken. Sorta like the red dot in Indea. WE can open that third eye. As we become more spiritually sensitive or understand the nature of all things. You see, it's not the story of someone's life you read that you get it, but rather you apply concepts to your everyday life that the more you begin to understand the nature of all things.

God is what gives us the openess to recieve the knowledge of life. I give all the glory to Him who fills me with the fullfilment that there are things I didn't understand before and now have become aware of.

Be more spacific. Really try to explain exactly what that is. What is it precisely that God gives you that gives you the knowledge of life. that fills you with fullfilment? Because, that which you are describing I am describing. God has given me the openess to recieve the knowledge if life. As I spiritually grow, that is what I recieve. This is what you mean right?

I believe we are saying basically the same thing. When you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior, I believe our spirits live on a higher plane and are given the gift of wisdom and knowledge like just knowing that God's word is the truth, like stepping in to the light from the darkness. That's what it's like for me and as I grow more in my Sprituality, I learn more as God allows. Just as you pray and meditate on Him you rise to a higher level and become more spiritual and with that comes more knowledge.

I just had to come back and edit this post to ask you, since I haven't read the entire thread, have you accepted Jesus because billie is correct, you cannot get to God except through the Son and with the Son comes the spiritual gifts and knowledge.

If you have not accepted Jesus then we are not talking about the same thing. Pagans believe they have the knowlege because of their love of mother earth but are also contradictory in their teachings because they also believe in witchcraft which goes against God all together.

I have accepted Jesus. By awakening to the nature of all things, is when you experience God. I experienced that.

How did you experience this

[Manji]

What are those Horizen east?