Latter Rain/MSOG heresies in our pews?

[st. Worm]

The funny thing is Paul mentioned in that very chapter speaking to God (which is what prayer is) in tongues - and there were no stipulations given with this!

And Arthur, I challenged you before to prove that I speak gibberish, but you refused the challenge. Can you put your money where your mouth is?

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Going back to the OP:

You know, when Jesus walked the Earth, He had to costantly divide between what was "Biblical" and what was traditional because the preachers and teachers got the two mixed up. I often wonder how much we fall into the same trap.

Just something to think about.

Unfortunately nebula, your post is just one more attempt to bash any form of tradition in worship practice. Young or unsophisticated believers who frequent this site, based on your postings, must believe that all church tradition is unbiblical or useless. Jesus separated truth from falsehood, not what was biblical from what was traditional. I've seen you more or less defend Benny Hinn and then turn around and accuse those who would expose him of being too picky and devisive. You seem to question any practice of the historic orthodox catholic church that is more that 40 years old as unbiblical tradition while implying that anything that is new and different is perfectly fine. Obviously my response is based on a cumulative effect or your prior posts related to this subject and not merely related to your post in this thread. I hope it is accepted in the spirit in which it was intended and not just as a random personal attack. Just something for you to think about.

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[nebula]

I personally was defending Nebs, cause she's my fwiend...

[nebula]

Unfortunately nebula, . . .

Not taking the bait . . . not taking the bait . . . not taking the bait. . . .

No pun intended!

[LadyRaven]

No pun intended!

[Arthur Durnan]

Gibberish is gibberish. Mumbo-jumbo is mumbo-jumbo. Literal national languages of Planet Earth whether English, Francais, Arabic, Italian, Greek, whatever are exactly THAT, literal LANGUAGES & never once in Holy Scripture the aforementioned gibberish. If one speaks in a literal language, someone listening & knowing it, would immediately be expected to say, "Hey, that's my own real language!" - AND THEY DID EXACTLY THAT in Acts 2: 8-11! You'd know what specific language of earth was being spoken, wouldn't you, just like the many different national groups in Acts 2:8-11 who KNEW the national, literal, earth dialects being uttered. Again, something charismatics refuse to come to grips with: ALL biblical languages are KNOWN, UNDERSTOOD, NATIONAL & EARTHLY languages of Planet Earth without exception. So it's vital to get off the charismatic "unknown" gibberish horse. It won't ride.

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[Floatingaxe]

When I am praying, I often call upon tongues to express my heart to God. The language is an unknown to me--it is known to God, as it is to God I am speaking. That is called a prayer language. Paul prayed in tongues too...in the tongue of angels...not gibberish in the least.

[tah]

Funny, it seems to ride just fine for me....

Arthur...we who know, know...

All the telling us we don't isn't going to change a thing...

We know you disagree and that's OK...

you are not the only one who doesn't see it...

and doesn't Scripture say "not all"...

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

[Arthur Durnan]

I'm truly sorry you failed to respond to the very crux of the matter (as is the case with most charismatics). There is NO such thing in Holy Writ - or do you live only by personal experience & personal conclusions? - as an unknown language anywhere in the Bible. ALL Bible languages without exception - even when God's angels spoke - are KNOWN, UNDERSTOOD, NATIONAL, EARTHLY dialects in every instance. So, ergo, if yours is a gibberish or a mumbo-jumbo, you're obliterating the very classic Acts 2:8-11 New Testament passage from the face of the earth. Why?

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[nebula]

If one speaks in a literal language, someone listening & knowing it, would immediately be expected to say, "Hey, that's my own real language!" - AND THEY DID EXACTLY THAT in Acts 2: 8-11! You'd know what specific language of earth was being spoken, wouldn't you,

Hey - if I spoke Welsh, Nigerian, Lakota, Muskogee, Deni, Kasua, Balangigi, Rawat, Takwane, Ghadames, Southern Puebla Mixtec, etc., etc. -

How many people here in the US do you think are actually going to be able to recognize what I am saying?

This web site lists 7,299 known world languages.

Do you honestly not expect tongues to be given in these languages?

Edited August 25, 2006 by nebula

[tah]

see ya aroud Arthur...God Blesss...

I have been here before and see no point in sharing my view again...