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[Gerioke]

Bottom line: John Lennon is long gone. Jesus Christ remaineth forever. AMEN & AMEN!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

I understand you there brother.

[cjrose]

Bottom line: John Lennon is long gone. Jesus Christ remaineth forever. AMEN & AMEN!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

Amen to that!!

[cjrose]

Also, it's words being exchanged-not violence! And by the way..if the majority of members here wish that I change the username, I will. Some of the Christian usernames are kind of odd..but it's their thing! I joined a CHRISTIAN discussion forum and I will abide by it's rules. This outer-court forum is an excellent idea, whoever thought of it has really got something started here. Respectfully-JL.

Words can be just as violently as physically. And hurt even more.

[John Lennon]

And I could care less if he's Born Again! Born into what? He's a murderer!!!!!!!!!! He killed the man, but he did'nt kill the dream.

Wasn't it you who mentioned he was born again?

It seemed like you were saying he was a christian who killed Lennon "for God" or something?

What say I?

"Ye shall reap what you sew"

He can find forgiveness for his soul but he will still have to pay the price for sin in this life.

Well, Chapman has given that as part of his reason, it could have come down to jealousy. So many zealots who claim to kill in the name of God have underlying true motives-Jealousy is a powerful negative force! Edited September 9, 2006 by John Lennon

[John Lennon]

And I could care less if he's Born Again! Born into what? He's a murderer!!!!!!!!!! He killed the man, but he did'nt kill the dream.

Wasn't it you who mentioned he was born again?

It seemed like you were saying he was a christian who killed Lennon "for God" or something?

What say I?

"Ye shall reap what you sew"

He can find forgiveness for his soul but he will still have to pay the price for sin in this life.

Well, Chapman has given that as part of his reason, it could have come down to jealousy. So many zealots who claim to kill in the name of God have underlying true motives-Jealousy is a powerful negative force!

I had a lot of anger over Chapman killing Lennon, But Lennon probably would not want people to hate Chapman. I do think he said he felt remorse for what he did to Barbara Walters. Edited September 9, 2006 by John Lennon

[ladypeartree]

JL you said in your first post that we can save ourselves ...well in a way that is very true, only we can decide to accept Christ and therefore "save ourselves " cos if we reject Him we are very surely condemming ourselves.

I would much rather ( as has been said by others ) live my life believing there is a God and then die to find out there is not than to live my life as if there is no God and die to find out He is real.....

[Tribulation]

Also, it's words being exchanged-not violence! And by the way..if the majority of members here wish that I change the username, I will. Some of the Christian usernames are kind of odd..but it's their thing! I joined a CHRISTIAN discussion forum and I will abide by it's rules. This outer-court forum is an excellent idea, whoever thought of it has really got something started here. Respectfully-JL.

If you want to use that name as your username - then I would keep it.

The only problem I can see with it - is the fact that you seem to idolize and hero-worship John Lennon. Having the username 'John Lennon' doesn't help you. I'm sure you're aware of one of God's ten commandments which states - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3). I'm not going to judge you on that - God will though.

[John Lennon]

JL you said in your first post that we can save ourselves ...well in a way that is very true, only we can decide to accept Christ and therefore "save ourselves " cos if we reject Him we are very surely condemming ourselves.

I would much rather ( as has been said by others ) live my life believing there is a God and then die to find out there is not than to live my life as if there is no God and die to find out He is real.....

What I see is a fear of dying. I know that sounds simplistic but it's true..we are afraid of the unknown. So we invent this place where life is everlasting as a security blanket thru our lives to give it this glimmer of hope at the end. But,..it could be we get one chance at life and that's it. I'm afraid too sometimes..how and what is life all about-we want it to have purpose. Maybe all that awaits is a peaceful sleep that we don't wake up from-and in reality, only the dead know, but they can't come back and tell us the real deal can they?

[cjrose]

That hilarious website "Demonizing" John Lennon was the funniest thing I ever saw!!! I only have one response to it.....The goat is just a symbol of the "devil" like so many others..How do you connect that to an album cover with Paul McCartney? You were ripping into John, Right? Leave Paul McCartney alone!!!!

This forum isn't about John Lennon and Paul McCartney. And did I say again that your use of his name is disrespectful? You seem to be upset. And about what? Something someone said about Paul McCartney? There are message boards for that and this isn't one of them.

Fair enough..I was indeed defending John Lennon being demonized. I mean, that is ridiculous that's all. This is just people debating something they don't agree on. To state that John Lennon..for all his faults,equates to Satan is a bit extreme. Don't you agree?

Firstly, you have not once addressed the use of his name being disrespectful. I agree only that JL had a gift for music and in the music industry will go down as a legend as well as the rest of the Beatles. I don't judge the living or respectfully the dead so in a way, yes I can agree with you that we have some very enthusiastic Christians. Perhaps it was extreme without any back up but let's not let this thread turn in to whether or not JL was a satanist. I don't really care. He is dead. I'm alive, you are alive, why waste your energy in getting angry on a theory? Now, are you idolizing him by using his name or is it some kind of joke? I'm seriously curious and wish you would address that question. I also need to add that his love for yoko was amazing kind of love as if they truly belonged together. I always admired that about the couple.

spreading the love!

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace

If you go to that website and see what I'm describing you would understand why I fired back in response to it. It's ridiculous! As Lypse pointed out clearly-many Christians feel a deep conviction about their faith and defend it with a vengeance! They will go to a lot of trouble to make their point..that website is an example! Look, these veiwpoints turn into a heated exchange without anybody having to give it a shove.

Can you say the same of some of us who would really do like you? I sometimes make the best of friends of the worst of enemies. And I agree with you that there are those who are not open minded. I know where I stand and that's all that matters, now I need to get you to stand with me

[RebekahDavid]

Hey John

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QUOTE(Rebekah David @ Sep 9 2006, 04:00 AM)

I really hope that you do read it ( Tortured For Christ) John i am very interested to know what you think after you have read it.

"Well, alright. Would I find that book at a Christian book store?"

Sorry did not see this i was busy yesterday working on a house for habitat for humanity. what a blessing that was (off topic i know sorry lol) Not sure about Christian book stores maybe.

But you can find the book "Tortured for Christ" at the site that has the organization he founded called "The Voice of the Martyrs" listed as www.persecution.com on the web . They used to give this free but they may charge now because the need is becoming greater to help those who are imprisoned etc>

Reading his book John will show an example of true Christainity one that is based and filled with God's love even for those persecute and torture. It will also show you how a godless system does not equal people loving people. I am eager to hear what you think after you have read it. Thank you !