Matthew 5

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

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[Guest shilou]

Anne I'm not quite clear what your topic is. Studying scripture line upon line, or that there are a lot of lost souls out there that need our help in understanding how very important a relationship with Yeshua is? I used to be one of the people you speak of but fortunately for me there were others in my life who loved me enough to feel I was worth the time and effort they took to bring me closer to the Creator. My best friends husband always amazed me in that he not only spoke the words of the scriptures but he walked them out in every little thing he did. Christ told the apostles many things not even written in the Gospels, and it was up to them to take it to the world. Now it is up to us to take even the limited part we know to a lost and dying world. It is the responsibility we bear as deciples of Christ. All these things you speak of about others not being diligent in their walk with the Lord are not for us to judge but rather a sign to us that hey that person needs some guidance in their life. We will never reach the lost through critisizm but only by holding our light as high ubove us as possible that no one could mistake us for being in the world.

Yeshua instructs the apostles after the teaching to be a light unto the world, and not to keep that light hidden. In this day and age that is a very huge and difficult responsibility we carry. You are right many are falling away, many have never known Christ but just go to church just because. But unfortunately there are also many, many christians well versed in scripture who don't speak up when needed. Christians today are trying to walk a fine line between their faith and the world and it is not effective in helping others to understand what the gospels are all about. Yes Anne we are to study the scriptures line upon line, but also read the words all the way through and don't stop there because we are given a great commission and held accountable before the end of Yeshua's teaching. And let's not forget the disciples did not know Yeshua until he approached them at their different places in life. And another point well worth remembering is that before the diciples were born again they all baled out on Yeshua out of fear, only the youngest member John was present at the cross. Even after this Yeshua saw them as worthy to carry His words throughout the world.

I'm really not trying to be critical Anne I just want to encourage others to get out into the fields and start planting some seeds and doing some harvest work. True love for Yeshua is not based on how much I read the scriptures but rather how willing am I to stick my neck out for Him in a world that is going to verbally stone me. And the second commandment would put me on the spot to share this pearl I found, this wonderful brillant pearl that brings everlasting life. Not everyone is going to listen to me and I don't care because if only one does at that moment in time all the heavenly hosts rejoice and boy what a feeling that is. I rejoice that you are a diciple by choice and pray that you will now share that with all around you. And blessed is Yeshua who came and found you where you were at, all glory and praise belong to Him.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

poor - g4434 - lacking in anything as respects their spirit, destitute of wealth of learning and intellectual culture which the schools afford (men of this class most readily gave themselves up to Christ's teaching and proved themselves fitted to lay hold of the heavenly treasure)

spirit - g4151 - ..... the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one ..... kingdom - g932 - ...... the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.

heaven - g3772 - ..... the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells

Blessed are the poor in spirit, those destitute of wealth of learning and intellectual culture which the schools afford, destitute of academics, for theirs is the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, the kingdom, of the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells, heaven.

MT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

mourn: g3996 - to mourn, to mourn for, lament one

comforted - g3870 - to call to one's side, .... exhorting and comforting and encouraging, to instruct, teach

Blessed are they that feel deep sorrow that they have been separated from God: for they shall be exhorted and comforted and encouraged, and instructed, and taught.

MT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

meek - g4239 - mildness of disposition, gentleness of spirit, (Meekness toward God is that disposition of spirit in which we accept his dealings with us as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting.)

inherit - g2816 - ... to be an heir, to inherit, to receive the portion assigned to one ...

earth - g1093 - ..... the earth as a whole, the earth as opposed to the heavens, the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals ...

Blessed are the meek toward God, which accept his dealings with them as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting. Because they shall inherit the inhabited earth.

MT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

hunger - g3983 - .... metaph. to crave ardently, to seek with eager desire

thirst - g1372 - ... to painfully feel their want of, and eagerly long for, those things by which the soul is refreshed, supported, strengthened

righteousness - g1343 - in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God, the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God, integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting, in a narrower sense, justice or the virtue which gives each his due

filled - g5526 - ... to fulfil or satisfy the desire of any one

Blessed are they which do ardently crave and seek righteousness with eager desire and painfully feel their want of those things by which the soul is refreshed, supported, strengthened: for they (their desire) shall be fulfilled.

MT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy;

merciful - g1655 - merciful, full of mercy

Blessed are them that are full of mercy themselves: for they shall obtain mercy from others.

MT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

pure - g2513 - .... imparts no uncleanness, ethically free from corrupt desire, free from sin and guilt, free from every admixture of what is false, is sincere genuine; blameless; innocent; unstained with the guilt of anything

heart - g2588 - ... denotes the centre of all physical and spiritual life, the vigour and sense of physical life, the centre and seat of spiritual life, the soul or mind, as it is the fountain and seat of the thoughts, passions, desires, appetites, affections, purposes, endeavours, of the understanding, the faculty and seat of the intelligence, of the will and character, of the soul so far as it is affected and stirred in a bad way or good, or of the soul as the seat of the sensibilities, affections, emotions, desires, appetites, passions, of the middle or central or inmost part of anything, even though inanimate

see - g3700 - to look at, behold, to allow one's self to be seen, to appear

God - g2316 - ... refers to the things of God, his counsels, interests, things due to him, whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way, ...

Blessed are them whose fountain and seat of the thoughts of the understanding, and whose passions, desires, appetites, affections, purposes, and endeavours, imparts no uncleanness, is ethically free from corrupt desire, is free from sin and guilt, is free from every admixture of what is false, is sincere and genuine, is blameless, is innocent, is unstained with the guilt of any thing. Because they shall see the things of God, his counsels, interests, things due to him, whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way.

MT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

peacemakers - g1518 - a peacemaker, pacific, loving peace

called - g2564 - ... to be called i.e. to bear a name or title (among men), to salute one by name

children - g5207 - ... used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower, a pupil, son of man, term describing man, carrying the connotation of weakness and mortality,

God - g2316 - ... refers to the things of God, his counsels, interests, things due to him, whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way, ...

Blessed are the peacemakers. Because they shall be called the children of God

[The Journey]

Shilou,

I don't think Anne is listening.

This is an extremely difficult way to study Scripture because defining the words do not give meaning to the context.

- Steve

PS Anne you never did answer my question: Was Jesus fully God at birth?

[Fewarechosen7F]

I'm doing my best to show anyone who wants to know, the things that the Lord has taught me through studying scripture line upon line. You are correct, there are a lot of lost souls out there that need our help in having relationship with Yeshua.

I also was one of these people, but unlike you, I had no man or woman to help me. This is an effort took to bring people like you and I were closer to the Lord.

As followers of Christ, it is up to each of US to take what He teaches us individually to the world, but what he has taught me is not very limited. As you have said, it is the responsibility we bear as deciples of Christ. It just happens that this way of presenting what he has taught me is the way he taught me to give it.

I have not judged any person of these things. I have only presented what is in the verses. I have posted, the reader has read, but it is the Holy Spirit who touches the reader's conscience. If any reader feel as though I had judged him, or criticised him, he should take that conversation up with the Lord.

Yeshua di instruct the disciples to be a light unto the world, and not to keep that light hidden.

In this day and age that is a very huge and difficult responsibility we carry.

Yes it is, and judgement begins in the pulpit.

Those who are falling away, and have never known Christ, but just go to church for their own reasons, and Christians who walk that fine line between their faith and the worldhave never found salvatin in the first place. And truly unfortunate for the many well versed Christians is that they won't speak up. I don't think they will be very happy when the Lord says "Depart, you who work iniquety."

If you have heard what I have posted in the first four threads of my study, then you know that the disciples began to know Yeshua very well from the moment he started teaching them. And even before he was arrested Yeshua taught the disciples that they were to fulfill the law and the prophets. And if we are following Yeshua, it is also our responsibility to fulfill his prophesies about us.

True love for Yeshua is based on how willing am I to stick my neck out for Him in a world that is going to verbally stone me. And the bigest stones are thrown by the religious crowd. I know. I've been at this for almost eight years, only not on the internet.

And the second commandment would put me on the spot to share this pearl I found, this wonderful brillant pearl that brings everlasting life. Puts me there too.

Not everyone is going to listen to me and I don't care because if only one does at that moment in time all the heavenly hosts rejoice and boy what a feeling that is.

I know this well also.

I am now in the process of sharing my discipleship to Yeshua with all who are presently around me.

And blessed is Yeshua who came and found you where you were at, all glory and praise belong to Him. Oh, I certainly hope my Lord Yeshua is blessed in me.

[The Journey]

Anne,

As other believers on the Board have expressed to simply plug in definitions into verses is not a very good strategy for exegesis. There are two problems with this approach. One is that a defintion will often present many options. You simply choose the option that fits with how you feel about the Scripture. Therefore it opens you up to reading into a verse....rather than bringing the meaning out.

The second is that listing defintions may represent a non sequitur error in logic. Just because you get a meaning by inserting defintions into a passage does not mean that you get the correct interpretation.

- Steve

[Guest shilou]

Ok Anne I think I understand. Your here to teach not to converse, would that be a correct statement? I know of what you speak by being taught through the Holy Spirit, and when I read I pray for God's wisdom in what I'm reading. But just to make sure I'm not jumping in there with my flesh I bounce my understanding off someone who I know that is not just studying but walking his faith out in his life. Jesus Christ the Word came in the flesh to teach, he taught his diciples and the multitudes the Word of God. The diciples were given the responsibility to preach unto the world, but let's not forget the multitude who were by their very presence and healing and passing down through the generations their stories of the Messiah who healed them. I am willing to bet that every leper, every blind man who was given sight, every person who was healed told anyone who would listen about Christ. The woman at the well who ran back and told all those in her village.

Ok I just have to say this straight up. I got the feeling when I read your post that there was some kind of claim to being superior to those who were not called unto Christ. I recall going through some of that in my walk and I became kind of intolerant of those who couldn't seem to get it. And God being God dealt with me on this and now I just walk in humble gratitude that I am one of the saved. And my heart breaks for those still living in darkness. I could not speak to any of them effectively while my pride was in the way, but now with compassion in the mix I can because they can see and know I actually care and I'm not just trying to show them I'm superior. Now when I see others acting the way you described it's a signal to me to tread carefully and role up my shirt sleaves and get to work, with the understanding that my witness to them could very well take years. In my flesh I'm a very impatient person so it is only through the Holy Spirit I am capable of keeping to task on this. And here in this country it would be pretty tough to put ourselves on the level of one of Christ's apostle's, they were completely dependent upon the generosity of others, they were beaten, jailed and died gruesom deaths for their King. I think pride is one of the toughest things us christians in America have to overcome because we can speak our faith openly, and we know things the world doesn't. It's pretty easy to start looking down our noses at Christ's lost sheep but it is hardly acceptable by Him.

Anne if I'm wrong here I apologize, but it was the impression I got when I read your post. And yes Anne blessed are all of us that seek the Will of God. But it is by God's grace that this is so, not because we deserve it. And it is only through God's power indowed to us through the Holy Spirit that we are even capable of making one righteous decision. All glory and praise go to Him, I get zero.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

[Fewarechosen7F]

Anne,

As other believers on the Board have expressed to simply plug in definitions into verses is not a very good strategy for exegesis. There are two problems with this approach. One is that a defintion will often present many options. You simply choose the option that fits with how you feel about the Scripture. Therefore it opens you up to reading into a verse....rather than bringing the meaning out.

The second is that listing defintions may represent a non sequitur error in logic. Just because you get a meaning by inserting defintions into a passage does not mean that you get the correct interpretation.

- Steve

MT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

revile - g3679 - to reproach; upbraid, revile, of deserved reproach, of undeserved reproach, to revile; to upbraid, cast (favours received) in one's teeth

persecute - g1377 - ... in any way whatever to harass, trouble, molest one, to persecute, to be mistreated, suffer persecution on account of something, without the idea of hostility, to run after, follow after: someone, metaph., to pursue, to seek after eagerly, earnestly endeavour to acquire,

evil - g4487 - that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, ..... so far forth as it is a matter of narration, so far as it is a matter of command, a matter of dispute, case at law,

falsely - g5574 - to lie, to speak deliberate falsehoods, to deceive one by a lie,

Blessed are you, when men shall reproach you, deserved or undeserved. Blessed are you when men upbraid you, casting the favor you have shown them you beck in your teeth. And blessed are you when men persecute you, and shall narrate all manner of matters of dispute, or matters of command, or cases at law, against you falsely, for Yeshua

[Guest shilou]

Anne no body is trying to persecute you only to ask you to explain what your point is, and to use some kind of caution in your style of getting something across. As Steve said your approach is not edifying to the body. Here is my point, I don't get what you are trying to do or say. I understand what the scriptures you post mean, but I don't get your subject matter or your point in posting them or definitions from different sources. I don't get what you want to talk about. I'll just leave this at that, because the only thing I can really get out of all of this is that as your signature says your a diciple by choice as are all the rest and for that I'm happy for you. You understand scripture and that's wonderful and not everybody does and that's sad and thank God there are diciples out here because then the world would be truly lost. Again all I can say is ALL GLORY AND PRAISE GOES TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

[tsth]

As Steve said your approach is not edifying to the body.

I'm sorry but that is not a true statement. I am understanding much of what Anne is saying, and I have heard much of the same that she has heard, but not in the same manner. The Holy Spirit reveals truths in many ways, and just because you have not studied in the same manner as Anne, does not mean that she has not heard.

In His Love,

Suzanne