Matthew 5

[The Journey]

Suzanne,

I was pointing out that plugging in definitions is not a good way to seek the meaning of a passage. Just because Strong's Dictionary states that defintion does not make it inspired. Plugging in defintions almost guarantees you will get the meaning from a Scripture that you want....not necesarily what the Scripture actually says. It has led Anne into a denial that Jesus was God at birth.

Its just a point of clarification.

- Steve

[Fewarechosen7F]

Anne no body is trying to persecute you only to ask you to explain what your point is, and to use some kind of caution in your style of getting something across. As Steve said your approach is not edifying to the body. Here is my point, I don't get what you are trying to do or say. I understand what the scriptures you post mean, but I don't get your subject matter or your point in posting them or definitions from different sources. I don't get what you want to talk about. I'll just leave this at that, because the only thing I can really get out of all of this is that as your signature says your a diciple by choice as are all the rest and for that I'm happy for you. You understand scripture and that's wonderful and not everybody does and that's sad and thank God there are diciples out here because then the world would be truly lost. Again all I can say is ALL GLORY AND PRAISE GOES TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

Hello Shilou,

I really didn't think anyone was trying to persecute me. I had read Steve's post and posted the next verse myself thinking my post was next. As it tuns out yours was next.

My method of study shows - practical application - of the verses to everyday life of people.

My point was at first just to do a meditative type study on the book of Matthew, as I said in the first post Matthew 1 thread. I had thought that several might join in. I had expected them to reveal spiritual insights, which is what scripture reveals to me.

I'm sure that you know that every time we study any one section of scripture, the Lord shows us more than he showed us the last time we studied the same section.

Because the multitudes are the same kind of people in every generation, I am only taking an honest up front look at the world we live in as a parallel comparison to the world Yeshua lived in. The reason is that all Christians are called to the great commission of overcoming sin, and nobody can overcome the thing that he can't see clearly.

Since Yeshua is the Savior, I also find his step by step instructions to anyone who

will listen to him. And the result of taking an honest look at the world we live in today very clearly shows that religion as a whole is rushing through the wide door that leads to destruction.

And no, Shilou, I am not superior at all. I'm just listening to the verses tell me about the world I'm living in and what needs to be done about it, and trying to pass that on to others.

One major thing I have learned about myself is that if I realy want to hear, I listen closely. And if not, I don't. And the rest of the world is the same way.

[Fewarechosen7F]

Suzanne,

I was pointing out that plugging in definitions is not a good way to seek the meaning of a passage. Just because Strong's Dictionary states that defintion does not make it inspired. Plugging in defintions almost guarantees you will get the meaning from a Scripture that you want....not necesarily what the Scripture actually says. It has led Anne into a denial that Jesus was God at birth.

Its just a point of clarification.

- Steve

Just so you'll know, Steve, I study scripture looking for what I need to hear, not looking for what I want to hear. It has a way of forcing me to look at life with a "floodlight" shining on it.

Maybe that is what is wrong here. Maybe the "floodlight" is too strong for some.

"Plugging in defintions", as you call it, is not even being used to seek the meanings of the passages. It only helps to pin down the meaning that is already there, so that I won't be tempted to see only the natural side of the statements that are made.

I hear the spirit of the verses, which is something that must be practiced continually after the Lord gives it to the person. It is one form of the act that scripture advises us, to "be being filled"

[Fewarechosen7F]

My appologies for posting verses 11 and 12 twice. I had forgotten to take them off the first time, when my husband wanted the phone.

MT 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

salt - g217 - salt with which food is seasoned and sacrifices are sprinkled, those kinds of saline matter used to fertilise arable land, salt is a symbol of lasting concord, .... wisdom and grace exhibited in speech

savour - g3471 - to be foolish, to act foolishly, to make foolish, to prove a person or a thing foolish, to make flat and tasteless, of salt that has lost its strength and flavor

cast - g906 - to throw or let go of a thing without caring where it falls, .... to give over to one's care uncertain about the result

foot: g2662 - ... metaph. to treat with rudeness and insult, to spurn, treat with insulting neglect

men: 444 - ... with the added notion of weakness, by which man is, led into a mistake or prompted to sin, with the adjunct notion of contempt or disdainful pity, with reference to two fold nature of man, body and soul; with reference to the two fold nature of man, the corrupt and the truly Christian man, conformed to the nature of God;

Yeshua had just told all of the disciples who had come to learn from him that they are Prophets of God. He goes on to say, You Prophets of God are the symbol of lasting concord upon the whole earth. You are her light. But if the Prophet of God has lost his strength and flavor where will he again obtain lasting concord? From that time forward, that fallen Prophet of God is good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodded upon, treated with rudeness and insult, and to be spurned, and to be treated with insulting neglect of men.

In John 14:12 Yeshua prophesied this,

[RGR]

Anne,

I have to agree that just simply plugging in definitions is not the best thing in the world. While there's nothing wrong with seeking definition of a hard to fathom term (such as the KJV translation where Paul is told it's hard for him to kick against the pricks-translated as oxgoads in the NIV), but to simply apply this to every word is not sound IMO.

Also, I still have problems with how this person just "jumped' onto the boards during all of the Voice of God heresy and started defending him. There were questions brought up then and so I'm "testing the spirits" as the Bible says to do!

God bless,

Ronald

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Yeshua was the light of te world. And here he was telling the disciples, You Prophets of God are the power of understanding moral and spiritual truth, and are exposed to the view of all the inhabitants of the earth, openly and publicly. he was telling them, You are the abode of the blessed in heaven. You are the visible capital in the heavenly kingdom. You are set, destined, appointed on an hill. And You cannot be concealed to be kept from becoming known.

If any man is in Christ, this is who he has become.

MT 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

The ungodly multitudes in general, do not gain enlightenment about anything, and then hide it. Today they broadcast everything that they know about the goings on of the world on news t.v.and news radio, their candlestick. And man

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Yeshua's command to every priest n his household is, "Let the power of your understanding of moral and spiritual truth so shine publicly exposed to the view of all men, that they may get knowledge of, and pay attention to, your comforting and confirming works, that they are excellent in nature and characteristics. That they will cause the dignity and worth of God to become manifest and that they will acknowledged YOUR Father which is in the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells.

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Yeshua said to his disciples, Don

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Yeshua is speaking strictly to HIS diciples about his dsciples, speaking strictly to the kingdom of heaven, about the kingdom of heaven.

[Fewarechosen7F]

MT 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

scribes: g1122 - ... in the Bible, a man learned in the Mosaic law and in the sacred writings, an interpreter, teacher, a religious teacher: so instructed that from his learning and ability to teach advantage may redound to the kingdom of heaven Scribes examined the more difficult and subtle questions of, the law; added to the Mosaic law decisions of various kinds thought to elucidate its meaning and scope, and did this to the detriment of religion. Since the advice of men skilled in the law was needed in the examination in the causes and the solution of the difficult questions, they were enrolled in the Sanhedrin; and are mentioned in connection with the priests and elders of the people.

Pharisees: h5330 - exclusively religious. A sect that seems to have started after the Jewish exile. In addition to OT books the Pharisees recognised in oral tradition a standard of belief and life. They sought for distinction and praise by outward observance of external rites and by outward forms of piety, and such as ceremonial washings, fastings, prayers, and alms giving; and, comparatively negligent of genuine piety, they prided themselves on their fancied good works. They held strenuously to a belief in the existence of good and evil angels, and to the expectation of a Messiah; and they cherished the hope that the dead, after a preliminary experience either of reward or of penalty in Hades, would be recalled to life by him, and be requited each according to his individual deeds. In opposition to the usurped dominion of the Herods and the rule of the Romans, they stoutly upheld the theocracy and their country's cause, and possessed great influence with the common people. According to Josephus they numbered more than 6000. They were bitter enemies of Jesus and his cause; and were in turn severely rebuked by him for their avarice, ambition, hollow reliance on outward works, and affection of piety in order to gain popularity.