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[Guest Teh Wiccan]

Heya all!

I don't believe in the whole Christians only go to Heaven thing because it doesn't seem yo quite make sense is all... I can elaborate (again) if you want.

[RGR]

Jesus said He was THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIGHT and no man comes unto the Father but by Him. That either makes Him one of the greatest liars of all time meaning all Christian hope is in vain, or the words of Christ stand for what they mean. It's eternity we're talking, not what pizza to order!

[Guest dove2]

Yep, the worship of nature and mother earth is not the way to go either. I don't knwo if Wicca accepts this or not. The worship of nature and mother earth is New Age. Be careful on anyone who brings these ideas up no matter how interesting they may seem. This is a trap and it sound great but ends without Jesus or the wrong Jesus who is not our Jesus.

[Green Darner]

because it doesn't seem to quite make sense is all

Proverbs 1

7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,

Proverbs 9

10"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,

And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Teh Wiccan,

As a former atheist, I too, struggled to make sense of Christianity. Now at that time in my life knowledge was my life's quest and I had been taught that Christianity wasn't for "thinking people". I was really quite stunned the first time I actually read the bible for myself! Then while reading through the bible (as to why I was reading it in the first place that is a long story) I came across the first passage above about knowledge. As I kept reading - it slowly dawned on me that I wouldn't be able to really understand what I was reading until I believed and accepted the Lord. Please don't think this took overnight. I spent 2 years reading and studying the bible - you see, it took me that long because I was so focused on "knowing all the answers" before I would commit to the Lord. When I finally did accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior THAT IS WHEN the Word started to make sense.

Colossians 2

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

This is one of my favorite passages.

[RGR]

Green Darner,

That's a beautiful testimony! So many treat finding religion like shopping for a new car-looking for options that fit them and leaving alone things they don't like (sexual morality, etc.). Let's keep Teh Wiccan in prayer. I feel like that he's in the valley of decision or he wouldn't be here and that the Lord is going to save this young man and use him greatly.

Heavenly Father, we ask you in Jesus name to remember this young man, Teh Wiccan. Lord, we that no one comes here by accident and that you have laid out plans for his life far in advance. God, we ask that you would deal with this young man's heart and show him the price You paid for our sins, the very best gift, Jesus Christ. Show him, Lord, how much you love him and show him the fullness of joy available to him if he will but serve you. We thank you, Lord, and ask this in Jesus' name, Amen.

[Guest Teh Wiccan]

Yep, the worship of nature and mother earth is not the way to go either. I don't knwo if Wicca accepts this or not. The worship of nature and mother earth is New Age. Be careful on anyone who brings these ideas up no matter how interesting they may seem. This is a trap and it sound great but ends without Jesus or the wrong Jesus who is not our Jesus.

Just to clarify.... Nature isn't worshipped, it is held as sacred... I don't worship trees.

Hi Green Darner!

Specifically, I'll use an example. Person A does something bad to person B, person B never fully recovers. Person A repents, and goes to heaven. Person B, who has a different Religion, goes to hell at the end of a long, painful, difficult life all because of person A.

So the person that did the bad thing goes to heaven, while the person that was innocent and a victim goes to hell? Doesn't quite make sense to me... It seems more likely to be like a paycheck to me. You work hard, you get paid. You work harder, you get paid more. You get rewarded according to your efforts.

[RGR]

So the person that did the bad thing goes to heaven, while the person that was innocent and a victim goes to hell? Doesn't quite make sense to me... It seems more likely to be like a paycheck to me. You work hard, you get paid. You work harder, you get paid more. You get rewarded according to your efforts.

If a person repents of their sins, yes, they are granted access into Heaven. The victim is a sinner also standing in need of repentance and if they choose to not accept the free gift offered to them by Christ, they have made their choice.

How do you know when enough good works are enough? To go through life with the wonderment of "have I done enough to please God?" How sad to think that you've worked and slaved all of your life to obtain Heaven only to be turned away because God failed to let you know how many good works you should've performed to get in? How do you when you've done enough works to counter-balance your sins? Teh Wiccan, God has made a simple way. We can never work our way into Heaven. Sin separates us from Him and our own righteousness is as a filthy rag in His sight. Problem is, we keep on sinning also heaping more filth on the rags, filth we can't work off. Jesus, the perfect and sinless Lamb of God died for your sins that you could have payment. Payment has been made for our sins-Jesus kept the whole law in every point without stumbling and then died in our place. Don't wait until it's too late. It's eternity we're talking here-two choices-smoking or non-smoking!

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Hi Green Darner!

Specifically, I'll use an example. Person A does something bad to person B, person B never fully recovers. Person A repents, and goes to heaven. Person B, who has a different Religion, goes to hell at the end of a long, painful, difficult life all because of person A. So the person that did the bad thing goes to heaven, while the person that was innocent and a victim goes to hell? Doesn't quite make sense to me... It seems more likely to be like a paycheck to me. You work hard, you get paid. You work harder, you get paid more. You get rewarded according to your efforts.

If person b winds up in hell they obviously heard about Jesus and rejected Him. Even a hard life at someone elses hands didn't show them the true path. Person A saw the error of his ways, repented, accepted Jesus for what He did for them. Even though a victim person B was not innocent. Person B was a sinner and didn't ask for forgiveness and accept the true way of salvation. You don't work for it so working harder wouldn't make any sense in a faith based salvation.

[Guest Teh Wiccan]

I suppose i just have a different viewpoint is all.

[Anonymous]

Green Darner,

That's a beautiful testimony!  So many treat finding religion like shopping for a new car-looking for options that fit them and leaving alone things they don't like (sexual morality, etc.).  Let's keep Teh Wiccan in prayer.  I feel like that he's in the valley of decision or he wouldn't be here and that the Lord is going to save this young man and use him greatly.

Heavenly Father, we ask you in Jesus name to remember this young man, Teh Wiccan.  Lord, we that no one comes here by accident and that you have laid out plans for his life far in advance.  God, we ask that you would deal with this young man's heart and show him the price You paid for our sins, the very best gift, Jesus Christ.  Show him, Lord, how much you love him and show him the fullness of joy available to him if he will but serve you.  We thank you, Lord, and ask this in Jesus' name, Amen.

. Amen .

AP - God is good!