The Message Bible

[Christ's Free Servant]

Adam wasn't right there when Eve did it... There's no evidence to support this. Shalom

Naziyr,

Actually, I believe he was. This is what my Bible says:

Genesis 3:6-7: "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves."

I believe that is why it says Adam was not deceived. He was there, so he walked in with his eyes wide open.

[Christ's Free Servant]

When my husband first began using The Message Bible, I was not fond of it at all. He just used it along with many others to see how other translations and paraphrased Bibles interpreted a particular passage of scripture, more for comparison. But, then he began reading it more regularly.

I found it offensive in some places, because I thought it used language that was disrespectful to the seriousness of scripture. We were leading a college-age Bible study group at the time, and the young people liked it, but I found they laughed too much at places that were dead serious. They laughed due to the wording. This concerned me greatly.

Since then, I have come to appreciate it and have found it has helped me to hear things from God's word that I may not normally hear because I always read in the NIV. Still, I check it against an actual translation for study purposes.

My biggest objection to it is that I feel it waters down the message is some places and that it makes light of things that should be taken more seriously. Other than that, I think it is a good read as a commentary alongside an actual translation. And, in some cases, I really like the way it says it.

[ayin jade]

That one passage concerns me though. The bible clearly states that Eve alone was deceived and Adam wilfully sinned. Through Adam came sin. Yet the message bible states Eve was deceived first and implies that Adam was also deceived. To me, the message bible changes what scripture says. I find that appalling.

[Naziyr]

The Hebrew for:

"And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and the tree was desirable to make one wise. And she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave to her husband with her, and he ate."

"gave to her husband with her" is not translated as "standing beside her" but the original Hebrew shows "equally with" her. Meaning "given the same amount of fruit".

It should be

"and she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave to her husband, to eat with her, and he ate"

Check it out for yourself.

Shalom

[Guest LadyC]

"her husband with her"...

the two interpretations here appear to be "her husband who was with her" or "her husband to eat with her". sounds like a toss up to me.

for some reason though, without looking up the passage in KJV which is what i was raised with (although it isn't my favorite now), it seems like i always thought she brought the apple to him after she'd eaten of it privately.

[Floatingaxe]

Eve was not alone when the serpent was addressing her...he actually used the term for "you" that is plural.

[Naziyr]

Which "you" are you talking about? Cause from this...

"And the L-rd G-d said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

Genesis 3:13

It's clear He is adressing Her and She replies back to him. Later he addresses Adam.

How do "you" know it's plural?

Care to back it up?

Lol.

Shalom

Edited September 26, 2006 by Naziyr

[Nevin]

God punished both Adam and Eve because of their actions. The woman with Child bearing and the man to sweat from his labour. They both shared in their deception in that they tried to decieve God. They had a clear instuction and that was not to eat the fruit. Adam knew what it looked like it was pointed out to him - Eve knew what it looked like also .

[Floatingaxe]

Which "you" are you talking about? Cause from this...

"And the L-rd G-d said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

Genesis 3:13

It's clear He is adressing Her and She replies back to him. Later he addresses Adam.

How do "you" know it's plural?

Care to back it up?

Lol.

Shalom

Not when God was speaking...I said it was when the serpent was speaking. I am going by what I was taught, but cannot give you the words, sorry.