God.Holocaust.Jews.Covenant

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

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This opinion piece by Charles Krauthammer triggered a lot -thinking about the [supposed] coming "Jacob's trouble"-much worse than the Holocaust [supposedly]. That the Holocaust showed that God did indeed break the Covenant He had with the Jews-some say.Much more than these things. Unless you have a significant knowledge of the Holocaust please do not post in this chain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...2400947_pf.html

Everyone's Jewish

By Charles Krauthammer

Monday, September 25, 2006; A21

Strange doings in Virginia. George Allen, former governor, one-term senator, son of a famous football coach and in the midst of a heated battle for reelection, has just been outed as a Jew. An odd turn of events, given that his having Jewish origins has nothing to do with anything in the campaign and that Allen himself was oblivious to the fact until his 83-year-old mother revealed to him last month the secret she had kept concealed for 60 years.

Apart from its political irrelevance, it seems improbable in the extreme that the cowboy-boots-wearing football scion of Southern manner and speech should turn out to be, at least by origins, a son of Israel. For Allen, as he quipped to me, it's the explanation for a lifelong affinity for Hebrew National hot dogs. For me, it is the ultimate confirmation of something I have been regaling friends with for 20 years and now, for the advancement of social science, feel compelled to publish.

Krauthammer's Law: Everyone is Jewish until proven otherwise. I've had a fairly good run with this one. First, it turns out that John Kerry -- windsurfing, French-speaking, Beacon Hill aristocrat -- had two Jewish grandparents. Then Hillary Clinton -- methodical Methodist -- unearths a Jewish stepgrandfather in time for her run as New York senator.

A less jaunty case was that of Madeleine Albright, three of whose Czech grandparents had perished in the Holocaust and who most improbably contended that she had no idea they were Jewish. To which we can add the leading French presidential contender (Nicolas Sarkozy), a former supreme allied commander of NATO (Wesley Clark) and Russia's leading anti-Semite (Vladimir Zhirinovsky). One must have a sense of humor about these things. Even Fidel Castro claims he is from a family of Marranos.

For all its tongue-in-cheek irony, Krauthammer's Law works because when I say "everyone," I don't mean everyone you know personally. Depending on the history and ethnicity of your neighborhood and social circles, there may be no one you know who is Jewish. But if "everyone" means anyone that you've heard of in public life, the law works for two reasons. Ever since the Jews were allowed out of the ghetto and into European society at the dawning of the Enlightenment, they have peopled the arts and sciences, politics, and history in astonishing disproportion to their numbers.

There are 13 million Jews in the world, one-fifth of 1 percent of the world's population. Yet 20 percent of Nobel Prize winners are Jewish, a staggering hundredfold surplus of renown and genius. This is similarly true for a myriad of other "everyones" -- the household names in music, literature, mathematics, physics, finance, industry, design, comedy, film and, as the doors opened, even politics.

But it is not just Jewish excellence at work here. There is a dark side to these past centuries of Jewish emancipation and achievement -- an unrelenting history of persecution. The result is the other more somber and poignant reason for the Jewishness of public figures being discovered late and with surprise: concealment.

Look at the Albright case. Her distinguished father was Jewish, if tenuously so, until the Nazi invasion. He fled Czechoslovakia and, shortly thereafter, converted. Over the centuries, suffering -- most especially, the Holocaust -- has proved too much for many Jews. Many survivors simply resigned their commission.

For some, the break was defiant and theological: A God who could permit the Holocaust -- ineffable be His reasons -- had so breached the Covenant that it was now forfeit. They were bound no longer to Him or His faith.

For others, the considerations were far more secular and practical. Why subject one's children to the fear and suffering, the stigmatization and marginalization, the prospect of being hunted until death that being Jewish had brought to an entire civilization in Europe?

In fact, that was precisely the reason Etty Lumbroso, Allen's mother, concealed her identity. Brought up as a Jew in French Tunisia during World War II, she saw her father, Felix, imprisoned in a concentration camp. Coming to America was her one great chance to leave that forever behind, for her and for her future children. She married George Allen Sr., apparently never telling her husband's family, her own children or anyone else of her Jewishness.

Such was Etty's choice. Multiply the story in its thousand variations and you have Kerry and Clinton, Albright and Allen, a world of people with a whispered past. Allen's mother tried desperately to bury it forever. In response to published rumors, she finally confessed the truth to him, adding heartbreakingly, "Now you don't love me anymore" -- and then swore him to secrecy.

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[ayin jade]

For some, the break was defiant and theological: A God who could permit the Holocaust -- ineffable be His reasons -- had so breached the Covenant that it was now forfeit. They were bound no longer to Him or His faith.

Ive never known anyone who thought that the Holocaust meant He broke the Covenant.

Interestingly though, at the same time, my mother's family in the US tried to hide that we had German blood, so ashamed were we about the Nazi regime. In a strange twist, I have good reason to suspect my father's mother was Jewish. If so, she hid it long before WW II. I wish I could find out for sure.

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

From "Evil:An Investigation..."-the phrase {approx.} "whose clock stopped" [life-ending trauma for a person who stays physically alive]. Something like "during the Tribulation [versus Church Age where The Holy Spirit draws us to Christ] will be driven to Christ" {from my brother in Christ John}. From the magazine "Moment"-atheistic rabbis..........

[Guest yod]

From "Evil:An Investigation..."-the phrase {approx.} "whose clock stopped" [life-ending trauma for a person who stays physically alive]. Something like "during the Tribulation [versus Church Age where The Holy Spirit draws us to Christ] will be driven to Christ" {from my brother in Christ John}. From the magazine "Moment"-atheistic rabbis..........

that is garbled and cryptic. Would you translate?

That the Holocaust showed that God did indeed break the Covenant He had with the Jews-some say.Much more than these things.

If anyone thought God had broken the Covenant with them, their minds should have been changed when the jews received the land of that Covenant (Israel) immediately following the war.

But I'm not sure I understand what you are saying mathetes. Are you saying that God can break a Covenant?

the Covenant He made with Abraham (which was repeated to Isaac and Jacob) had only one party swearing to keep it....and that was God.

[Guest shiloh357]

From "Evil:An Investigation..."-the phrase {approx.} "whose clock stopped" [life-ending trauma for a person who stays physically alive]. Something like "during the Tribulation [versus Church Age where The Holy Spirit draws us to Christ] will be driven to Christ" {from my brother in Christ John}. From the magazine "Moment"-atheistic rabbis..........

OK this makes no sense. How about speaking plainly?

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

Have any of you read "Night" as well as "The Trial of God" by Elie Wiesel?

[other one]

Have any of you read "Night" as well as "The Trial of God" by Elie Wiesel?

No, and if that is a good example I'm not sure I care to.

[Guest yod]

Have any of you read "Night" as well as "The Trial of God" by Elie Wiesel?

Have you read the Bible?

I'm trying to figure out what you are saying....

If you can't figure it out well enough to communicate it, then who can?

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

Have any of you read "Night" as well as "The Trial of God" by Elie Wiesel?

Have you read the Bible?

I'm trying to figure out what you are saying....

If you can't figure it out well enough to communicate it, then who can?

I do resent your "Have you read the Bible?" comment. I am rebuking you per Scripture{for example, <Luke 17:3-10>}.

I have given my testimony . In approx 1982 I received the KNOWLEDGE [not from man] that The Holy Bible is the Word of God. Every word {within translation/copyist errors} is 100% true/Truth. From <Genesis 1:1> thru <Revelation 22:21>

I only get arrpox. 1 hr./day on the Internet [using library computer] so consider that.

That "Evil:An Investigation" ref-by Lance Morrow, author of 150 "Time" mag cover stories. I have read that book 2 to 3 times.

That second ref re being driven to Christ during Tribulation comes from memory from the 1980s from a second year Bible student-a dear brother in Christ. The Law-Schoolmaster to

bring us to Christ.

That "Moment" ref re atheistic rabbis-have been reading "Moment" [premiere Jewish monthly] here at Library. They no longer have it. momentmag.com web site. Started by Elie Wiesel-"Nobel Prize" winner and witness during Holocaust.

Library now closing-have to leave. PM me [anyone] for more detail. The New Covenant in Blood by The Son of God Jesus Christ did away with the old one {e.g. Hebrews 8}. Some say Old one still in force---"Nostra Aetate" from Vatican attempts to address anti Semitism.

"The End of Days" book gets into Christianity-Judaism-Islam each expecting a Messiah that is the other's antichrist.

Much much more. Agape and Peace.

Ron...

[JustinM]

If God broke His covenant with the Jewish people, there'd be no Jews left in the world. Since there are still millions of Jewish people left in the world, His covenent is still intact and strong.

Edited October 2, 2006 by JustinM