Ask a Catholic

[Guest man]

Deut. 4:16....what does it mean?

And do we no longer have to adhere to that particular verse?

I would like Pax to answer that one but I know she won't.

So if you want to...that's ok too.

[Fr Chuck]

Shall I assume that you don't have any pictures or photos, That you will refuse a drivers licence because it has to have your image on it ?

It warns of possible corruppt, since as happened when they made a graven immage to worship. The Catholic Church does not worship any of the photos or statues, but use them as a tool to bring them closer to God. Even God commanded on the Ark of the Covement immages to be made. And Protestant churches have pictures of Jesus the Good Sheperd,and use pictures of sheep or fish to represent Jesus ( are maybe they are really worshiping those sheep ???) Can you see how simple usage can be twisted if you wish it to, a person who wanted to shame or talk agaisnt Protestants can merely start a rumor they really worship Sheep, not true, but I can prove it fo course by showing how manyof thier churches have photos of sheep in them.

And of course you can't have any pictutes of land scapes in your home ( Deut 4: 18-19) so if you do take them down

So the obvious fact is they are speaking about making gods or images of worship, not things that are used either for decoration or things that bring someone closeer to God himself. The Orthodox have many more icons and art work within the church than any other, but these are not gods of worship.

The idea that they are are merley from those that look for attacks on catholics and will not accept simple truths from the church, but have accepted 1/2 truths of hate spead b those who ish to attack the church

And of course if you wish to follow all the rules in Deut, what about Deu 12:6, when was the last time you burnt your offerings on an alter

And of course read though Deu and you will find 100's of things from cutting off peoples hands for theft to destroying your ememies.

[Guest man]

Shall I assume that you don't have any pictures or photos, That you will refuse a drivers licence because it has to have your image on it ?

It warns of possible corruppt, since as happened when they made a graven immage to worship. The Catholic Church does not worship any of the photos or statues, but use them as a tool to bring them closer to God. Even God commanded on the Ark of the Covement immages to be made. And Protestant churches have pictures of Jesus the Good Sheperd,and use pictures of sheep or fish to represent Jesus ( are maybe they are really worshiping those sheep ???) Can you see how simple usage can be twisted if you wish it to, a person who wanted to shame or talk agaisnt Protestants can merely start a rumor they really worship Sheep, not true, but I can prove it fo course by showing how manyof thier churches have photos of sheep in them.

And of course you can't have any pictutes of land scapes in your home ( Deut 4: 18-19) so if you do take them down

So the obvious fact is they are speaking about making gods or images of worship, not things that are used either for decoration or things that bring someone closeer to God himself. The Orthodox have many more icons and art work within the church than any other, but these are not gods of worship.

The idea that they are are merley from those that look for attacks on catholics and will not accept simple truths from the church, but have accepted 1/2 truths of hate spead b those who ish to attack the church

And of course if you wish to follow all the rules in Deut, what about Deu 12:6, when was the last time you burnt your offerings on an alter

And of course read though Deu and you will find 100's of things from cutting off peoples hands for theft to destroying your ememies.

Show me in scripture where it says the images you have in your church are acceptable.

There's a big difference between a cherub and a statue of Christ. They were told to make the cherub...where were they told to make an image of Christ?

[Fiosh]

Shall I assume that you don't have any pictures or photos, That you will refuse a drivers licence because it has to have your image on it ?

It warns of possible corruppt, since as happened when they made a graven immage to worship. The Catholic Church does not worship any of the photos or statues, but use them as a tool to bring them closer to God. Even God commanded on the Ark of the Covement immages to be made. And Protestant churches have pictures of Jesus the Good Sheperd,and use pictures of sheep or fish to represent Jesus ( are maybe they are really worshiping those sheep ???) Can you see how simple usage can be twisted if you wish it to, a person who wanted to shame or talk agaisnt Protestants can merely start a rumor they really worship Sheep, not true, but I can prove it fo course by showing how manyof thier churches have photos of sheep in them.

And of course you can't have any pictutes of land scapes in your home ( Deut 4: 18-19) so if you do take them down

So the obvious fact is they are speaking about making gods or images of worship, not things that are used either for decoration or things that bring someone closeer to God himself. The Orthodox have many more icons and art work within the church than any other, but these are not gods of worship.

The idea that they are are merley from those that look for attacks on catholics and will not accept simple truths from the church, but have accepted 1/2 truths of hate spead b those who ish to attack the church

And of course if you wish to follow all the rules in Deut, what about Deu 12:6, when was the last time you burnt your offerings on an alter

And of course read though Deu and you will find 100's of things from cutting off peoples hands for theft to destroying your ememies.

Show me in scripture where it says the images you have in your church are acceptable.

There's a big difference between a cherub and a statue of Christ. They were told to make the cherub...where were they told to make an image of Christ?

So, are you saying that it's ok to have statues of angels but not images of Jesus? Could you give us your list of acceptable images and unacceptable images? Where do movies fall on your scale; for ex. "The Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, The Passion of the Christ.

Thanks,

Fiosh

[Guest man]

The Catholic Church does not worship any of the photos or statues, but use them as a tool to bring them closer to God.

Do you see God when you look at that image of Christ?

[Guest man]

So, are you saying that it's ok to have statues of angels but not images of Jesus? Could you give us your list of acceptable images and unacceptable images? Where do movies fall on your scale; for ex. "The Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, The Passion of the Christ.

Thanks,

Fiosh

Don't answer my questions with questions.

Is it ok?....no. The bible speaks out against making these things. I don't know how many times I've asked you to show me where in the bible we are given permission to make images of God. Why can you not do that? You say you adhere to scripture but are unable to show me the verse or verses that teach you to do these things.

As far as movies...I don't see them as anything holy or sacred. They are the visual interpretation of what's going on inside the director's head.

[Guest man]

Fiosh

Let me ask you.....do you see God when you look upon that image of Christ?

[CellShade]

i'm not game. i have no need to ask for clarification on catholic beliefs. this tells me all i need to know:

A) catholics believe that mary was sinless.

B) catholics believe that mary never had sex with her husband.

if B is true, then it makes A a lie. because God commands a wife to be intimate with her husband. so if she never had sex and was the perpetual virgin, she was sinning against God, AND against her husband.

not that it matters because scripture is clear that A is false anyway.

C) catholics do not believe that the Bible is complete enough to stand on its own merit.

D) despite the denials from every catholic who has ever come on this board, they pray to mary and to the saints. they worship mary as a diety. it is idolatry.

i know that i'll get a flood of denials from all the catholics here, so i'm not going to stay in this thread. i'm just going to post evidence of what i just said and leave it at that.

from the catholic prayers:

'filled with confidence in your goodness and knowing well YOUR full power'. 'i entrust myself completely to YOU.' 'Mary, none of your devout servants has ever perished; may I, too, be saved' (o virgin imacculate, mother of God and my mother) (emphasis mine)

'and in THY intercession is all my hope', 'Thou, when called upon, dost immediately assist; nay, more, thou dost anticipate our prayers by thy favors; thou consolest us in our afflictions; thou dissipatest the storms by which we are tossed about; thou overcomest all enemies;', 'My Mother, what will become of me? If thou dost not help me,' 'My Lady, forgive my temerity; come thyself to comfort me with thy presence in that last struggle. This favor thou hast granted to many, grant it also to me.', 'For thy eternal glory, let it be said that thou hast snatched a wretched creature from hell, to which he was already condemned, and that thou hast led him to thy kingdom. Oh, yes, sweet Mother, I hope to have the consolation of remaining always at thy feet in heaven, thanking and blessing and loving thee eternally.' (O my most sweet Mother, how shall I die, poor sinner that I am?)

'SWEET HEART of Mary, be my salvation!' (Aspirations to Mary)

'We consecrate to thee our very being and our whole life; all that we have, all that we love, all that we are. To thee we give our bodies, our hearts and our souls;' (Consecrations to Mary)

'The price of salvation is offered to you. We shall be set free at once if you consent. ' (Mary's consent)

'Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope.' (Hail Holy Mary)

'We look to you, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.' (Prayer to Our Lady, Assumed into Heaven)

'We fly to your protection, most holy Mother of God; please listen to our petitions and needs, and deliver us from all dangers, ever glorious and blessed Virgin Mary.' (To our Blessed Mother)

this is but a few snippets from the idolatrous catholic prayer book. it spits in the face of our Heavenly Father.

Agrees.

Also, I find it kind of funny(or sad), when,why is it that the first prayer that comes out of your mouth, you mention a saint and not God?

Now I won't say that this is a doctrine that is teached by catholics, but, it's the first thing that happens...

There is just one Mediator between God and Man, and that Mediator is Jesus Christ, not the saints that the RCC so much worships.

Ok now to the questions.

Where in The Bible did it say that Mary was Sinless?I want to know, I have looked, but have never found that...

Also, where in The Bible does it mention the pope?To add to this, what is the pope exactly to you?

[Pax]

i'm not game. i have no need to ask for clarification on catholic beliefs. this tells me all i need to know:

A) catholics believe that mary was sinless.

B) catholics believe that mary never had sex with her husband.

if B is true, then it makes A a lie. because God commands a wife to be intimate with her husband. so if she never had sex and was the perpetual virgin, she was sinning against God, AND against her husband.

not that it matters because scripture is clear that A is false anyway.

C) catholics do not believe that the Bible is complete enough to stand on its own merit.

D) despite the denials from every catholic who has ever come on this board, they pray to mary and to the saints. they worship mary as a diety. it is idolatry.

i know that i'll get a flood of denials from all the catholics here, so i'm not going to stay in this thread. i'm just going to post evidence of what i just said and leave it at that.

from the catholic prayers:

'filled with confidence in your goodness and knowing well YOUR full power'. 'i entrust myself completely to YOU.' 'Mary, none of your devout servants has ever perished; may I, too, be saved' (o virgin imacculate, mother of God and my mother) (emphasis mine)

'and in THY intercession is all my hope', 'Thou, when called upon, dost immediately assist; nay, more, thou dost anticipate our prayers by thy favors; thou consolest us in our afflictions; thou dissipatest the storms by which we are tossed about; thou overcomest all enemies;', 'My Mother, what will become of me? If thou dost not help me,' 'My Lady, forgive my temerity; come thyself to comfort me with thy presence in that last struggle. This favor thou hast granted to many, grant it also to me.', 'For thy eternal glory, let it be said that thou hast snatched a wretched creature from hell, to which he was already condemned, and that thou hast led him to thy kingdom. Oh, yes, sweet Mother, I hope to have the consolation of remaining always at thy feet in heaven, thanking and blessing and loving thee eternally.' (O my most sweet Mother, how shall I die, poor sinner that I am?)

'SWEET HEART of Mary, be my salvation!' (Aspirations to Mary)

'We consecrate to thee our very being and our whole life; all that we have, all that we love, all that we are. To thee we give our bodies, our hearts and our souls;' (Consecrations to Mary)

'The price of salvation is offered to you. We shall be set free at once if you consent. ' (Mary's consent)

'Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope.' (Hail Holy Mary)

'We look to you, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.' (Prayer to Our Lady, Assumed into Heaven)

'We fly to your protection, most holy Mother of God; please listen to our petitions and needs, and deliver us from all dangers, ever glorious and blessed Virgin Mary.' (To our Blessed Mother)

this is but a few snippets from the idolatrous catholic prayer book. it spits in the face of our Heavenly Father.

Agrees.

Also, I find it kind of funny(or sad), when,why is it that the first prayer that comes out of your mouth, you mention a saint and not God?

Now I won't say that this is a doctrine that is teached by catholics, but, it's the first thing that happens...

There is just one Mediator between God and Man, and that Mediator is Jesus Christ, not the saints that the RCC so much worships.

Ok now to the questions.

Where in The Bible did it say that Mary was Sinless?I want to know, I have looked, but have never found that...

Also, where in The Bible does it mention the pope?To add to this, what is the pope exactly to you?

I will let Fiosh tackle the Mary question, but I will try answer your question about the Pope. Please refer to Mathew 16: 18-19. This is the biblical reference that the Catholic Church states to show that Jesus Christ intended there to ba a Human figure to give guidance when He is gone. You will notice in the verses that Christ is telling Peter (a mortal man) that "you are Peter , and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Christ is clearly telling Peter that he will be the guiding figure of the one Church after He leaves.

The Catholic Church believes in apostoloc succession and the See of Peter continues to this day with Pope Benedict XVI being the 275 Pope to guide the Church.

The role of the Pope is to give guidance to the Church established by Christ. You also won't find the word Pope in the Bible, just like you won't find the word Trinity in the Bible. I believe Pope means papa or father.

[cjrose]

Affirmations are always a good thing especially when it is Spiritual and with significance.

I learned that to accept myself, I had to give myself affirmations of all the good traits about me and let God heal the flaws I developed. On a daily basis it does give encouagement and hope and leads to a joyful outlook on life and a deeper love of God.