Jesus-myth or "copycat savior" myth refuted.

[khalou]

I'm known as the atheist that preaches Christianity, because I do.

What an oxymoronic reputation! Why do you do that?

Because the truth is important.

If someone rejects Christianity, it should be based on an understanding of what they're rejecting, not some misinformation about it. One thing people need to realize is that there are many, many, many incredibly intelligent and well educated people who are Christians, so some lay person's perceptions of the religion that are based on ignorance shouldn't be allowed to turn people from the faith. That wouldn't be ethical.

There is no way to disprove the validity of Christianity. Of that I'm convinced. I would have to be the most brilliant, and most educated person to have ever lived in order to trust my own perceptions enough to dismiss Christianity, or ANY religion, based on my own intellect.

But I hold the same standards to Christians. If their belief is based on facts that aren't true, then they could easily lose that faith. It their faith is based on misinformation, and no matter what facts are presented (and I mean REAL facts- like "drop a ball, and it falls), and they dismiss them based on their faith, then that is simply ignorance. I don't suppose God really cared whether or not Galileo was correct, but the Church did for some inexplicable reason. Except that maybe the Church had built their faith on sand in the first place with regard to a geo-centric, static, central location of the Earth.

Somewhere in all this debate and discussion is a place where knowledge and understanding can flourish and neither side just shuns the opinion of the other outright. That is the place of confidence, and mutual respect.

Why should an atheist respect the delusions of a theist?

Why should a theist respect the worldly observations of an atheist?

Because without understanding of the other's viewpoint, neither can fully experience confidence in their own truth. If evolution being shown to be true would shake your faith, then your faith is based on sand. If the God of the Christians makes perfect sense and your worldview is based on the idea that He doesn't, then your sensibility is based on sand.

The two opinions are so diametrically opposed that the best that can be hoped for is at least an accurate view of the other's beliefs, and what those beliefs are based on.

k

[ayin jade]

You talk about respect, then call our beliefs delusional.

[Floatingaxe]

I'm known as the atheist that preaches Christianity, because I do.

What an oxymoronic reputation! Why do you do that?

Because the truth is important.

If someone rejects Christianity, it should be based on an understanding of what they're rejecting, not some misinformation about it. One thing people need to realize is that there are many, many, many incredibly intelligent and well educated people who are Christians, so some lay person's perceptions of the religion that are based on ignorance shouldn't be allowed to turn people from the faith. That wouldn't be ethical.

There is no way to disprove the validity of Christianity. Of that I'm convinced. I would have to be the most brilliant, and most educated person to have ever lived in order to trust my own perceptions enough to dismiss Christianity, or ANY religion, based on my own intellect.

But I hold the same standards to Christians. If their belief is based on facts that aren't true, then they could easily lose that faith. It their faith is based on misinformation, and no matter what facts are presented (and I mean REAL facts- like "drop a ball, and it falls), and they dismiss them based on their faith, then that is simply ignorance. I don't suppose God really cared whether or not Galileo was correct, but the Church did for some inexplicable reason. Except that maybe the Church had built their faith on sand in the first place with regard to a geo-centric, static, central location of the Earth.

Somewhere in all this debate and discussion is a place where knowledge and understanding can flourish and neither side just shuns the opinion of the other outright. That is the place of confidence, and mutual respect.

Why should an atheist respect the delusions of a theist?

Why should a theist respect the worldly observations of an atheist?

Because without understanding of the other's viewpoint, neither can fully experience confidence in their own truth. If evolution being shown to be true would shake your faith, then your faith is based on sand. If the God of the Christians makes perfect sense and your worldview is based on the idea that He doesn't, then your sensibility is based on sand.

The two opinions are so diametrically opposed that the best that can be hoped for is at least an accurate view of the other's beliefs, and what those beliefs are based on.

k

Your addition to the truth spoken on Worthyboards just muddies the waters.

[khalou]

You talk about respect, then call our beliefs delusional.

What??

Did you read what I said?

I do NOT believe that your beliefs are delusional. That's the point of the whole thing!

k

[ayin jade]

Why should an atheist respect the delusions of a theist?

Why should a theist respect the worldly observations of an atheist?

Like I said.

[khalou]

I'm known as the atheist that preaches Christianity, because I do.

What an oxymoronic reputation! Why do you do that?

Because the truth is important.

If someone rejects Christianity, it should be based on an understanding of what they're rejecting, not some misinformation about it. One thing people need to realize is that there are many, many, many incredibly intelligent and well educated people who are Christians, so some lay person's perceptions of the religion that are based on ignorance shouldn't be allowed to turn people from the faith. That wouldn't be ethical.

There is no way to disprove the validity of Christianity. Of that I'm convinced. I would have to be the most brilliant, and most educated person to have ever lived in order to trust my own perceptions enough to dismiss Christianity, or ANY religion, based on my own intellect.

But I hold the same standards to Christians. If their belief is based on facts that aren't true, then they could easily lose that faith. It their faith is based on misinformation, and no matter what facts are presented (and I mean REAL facts- like "drop a ball, and it falls), and they dismiss them based on their faith, then that is simply ignorance. I don't suppose God really cared whether or not Galileo was correct, but the Church did for some inexplicable reason. Except that maybe the Church had built their faith on sand in the first place with regard to a geo-centric, static, central location of the Earth.

Somewhere in all this debate and discussion is a place where knowledge and understanding can flourish and neither side just shuns the opinion of the other outright. That is the place of confidence, and mutual respect.

Why should an atheist respect the delusions of a theist?

Why should a theist respect the worldly observations of an atheist?

Because without understanding of the other's viewpoint, neither can fully experience confidence in their own truth. If evolution being shown to be true would shake your faith, then your faith is based on sand. If the God of the Christians makes perfect sense and your worldview is based on the idea that He doesn't, then your sensibility is based on sand.

The two opinions are so diametrically opposed that the best that can be hoped for is at least an accurate view of the other's beliefs, and what those beliefs are based on.

k

Your addition to the truth spoken on Worthyboards just muddies the waters.

How so?

k

[khalou]

Why should an atheist respect the delusions of a theist?

Why should a theist respect the worldly observations of an atheist?

Like I said.

That's all you read?

What was my answer??

I do not believe that theists are "delusional" and argue against athiests who say so.

I do not believe that atheists' "worldly observations" address the whole truth (in the minds of the atheists) and argue against Christians who think so.

Those phrases were chosen to show the lack of respect on both sides of the other.

How could you read what I wrote and think otherwise?

k

[khalou]

Why should an atheist respect the delusions of a theist?

Why should a theist respect the worldly observations of an atheist?

Like I said.

That's all you read?

What was my answer??

I do not believe that theists are "delusional" and argue against athiests who say so.

I do not believe that atheists' "worldly observations" address the whole truth (in the minds of the atheists) and argue against Christians who think so.

Those phrases were chosen to show the lack of respect on both sides of the other.

How could you read what I wrote and think otherwise?

k

Sorry. I'm sure it was my fault for not being clear. Thought I was.

If people who are much smarter and more educated than me are Christians, then who am I to say that they are delusional? I thought that was obvious. Apperently it wasn't.

k

[billie]

If people who are much smarter and more educated than me are Christians, then who am I to say that they are delusional?

That's nice, Khalou.

[khalou]

If people who are much smarter and more educated than me are Christians, then who am I to say that they are delusional?

That's nice, Khalou.

Thanks. I was beginning to think that I'd lost my mind.

I guess you guys have run into some pretty agressive atheists.

k