Do You Believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved"

[Thaddaeus]

Butero,

We are in a debate over an issue that will never be resolved till Jesus comes back and sets us straight.

It has never been a problem within the Church. It was given, taught by the Apostles, and I don't think, on this one single issue there never has been any disagreement. The only resolving you have is what do you want to accept. The Gospel once given for all, or some man-made partial gospel of self determination of ones personal interpretation. Will it be yours, or some other fellow who has a better argument than yours. Heaven only knows, just how many options are now available to you.

I say that knowing full well that I was once in your same predicament. There will be no end in sight for all the manufactured "faiths" that will evolve in the future under the banner of Sola Scriptura and that Scripture alone is the sole authority for faith and practice. It is the methodology that is the prime cause of your dilemma and your personal desire to not submit to the Gospel once given. I could not see any end to the quadmire of the confusion that supposedly the Holy Spirit is subjecting believers in order to provide a means of salvation which each generation must determine for themselves. The Bible is quite clear that this is not the case. So then what? If Christ is correct, He gave ALL Truth, and He and He alone with the Holy Spirit would guard, protect both that Gospel and His Church, I was compelled to go search for that Gospel, because I did not possess it.

It is not an easy journey but it is one that each will of necessity take and decide.

[Mutzrein]

To save me a whole heap of reading, can someone please define the word 'saved' as it is being referred to in this phrase? Not wanting to flog a dead horse but I'm new here and wanted to see if there was agreement on what it means to be saved. Thanks.

[TomPJr]

To save me a whole heap of reading, can someone please define the word 'saved' as it is being referred to in this phrase? Not wanting to flog a dead horse but I'm new here and wanted to see if there was agreement on what it means to be saved. Thanks.

Hi, Welcome,

I think that it depends on who you ask.

I presume that most people think it means that you have salvation.

and...many believe that it is when you accept Chist. That is why they say "I was saved in (year)"

I believe, however, that there is a difference.

I don't think that we should presume on our salvation, because we don't know what we are going to do tomorrow.

Salvation comes by grace through faith, if you confess, ask forgiveness, and are willing to repent.

anyone can say "I accept Jesus" or "I got saved", but are they converted? Salvation comes with conversion.

Many will come saying Lord Lord, and he will say I never knew you...(they thought they were saved)

[EricH]

To save me a whole heap of reading, can someone please define the word 'saved' as it is being referred to in this phrase? Not wanting to flog a dead horse but I'm new here and wanted to see if there was agreement on what it means to be saved. Thanks.

Hi, Welcome,

I think that it depends on who you ask.

I presume that most people think it means that you have salvation.

and...many believe that it is when you accept Chist. That is why they say "I was saved in (year)"

I believe, however, that there is a difference.

I don't think that we should presume on our salvation, because we don't know what we are going to do tomorrow.

Salvation comes by grace through faith, if you confess, ask forgiveness, and are willing to repent.

anyone can say "I accept Jesus" or "I got saved", but are they converted? Salvation comes with conversion.

Many will come saying Lord Lord, and he will say I never knew you...(they thought they were saved)

On the other hand the Apostle John indicated that He wrote his gospel and epistles so that we might "Know" that we have eternal life

[DavisLady]

The question asked is " DO YOU BELIEVE IN ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?"

my answer is NOPE....but you guys are right this is a debate that never changes in fact they have gotten down right nasty. Because of that I will just say..No, I do not believe in that for many reasons all of which ARE scriptural.

And with that said I think I will just sit back and watch the bullets fly.

Please show me the scriptural reasons that you believe this is not true?

I think that if you think this applys to you, that you were once saved and now your not.. You were never saved to begin with!

Saved = Believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins!

John 3:16:

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Ephesians 1:8-14

8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Edited February 27, 2007 by DavisLady

[Mutzrein]

To save me a whole heap of reading, can someone please define the word 'saved' as it is being referred to in this phrase? Not wanting to flog a dead horse but I'm new here and wanted to see if there was agreement on what it means to be saved. Thanks.

Hi, Welcome,

I think that it depends on who you ask.

I presume that most people think it means that you have salvation.

and...many believe that it is when you accept Chist. That is why they say "I was saved in (year)"

I believe, however, that there is a difference.

I don't think that we should presume on our salvation, because we don't know what we are going to do tomorrow.

Salvation comes by grace through faith, if you confess, ask forgiveness, and are willing to repent.

anyone can say "I accept Jesus" or "I got saved", but are they converted? Salvation comes with conversion.

Many will come saying Lord Lord, and he will say I never knew you...(they thought they were saved)

Thanks Tom. May I ask then, what to you is conversion?

[Mutzrein]

To save me a whole heap of reading, can someone please define the word 'saved' as it is being referred to in this phrase? Not wanting to flog a dead horse but I'm new here and wanted to see if there was agreement on what it means to be saved. Thanks.

Hi, Welcome,

I think that it depends on who you ask.

I presume that most people think it means that you have salvation.

and...many believe that it is when you accept Chist. That is why they say "I was saved in (year)"

I believe, however, that there is a difference.

I don't think that we should presume on our salvation, because we don't know what we are going to do tomorrow.

Salvation comes by grace through faith, if you confess, ask forgiveness, and are willing to repent.

anyone can say "I accept Jesus" or "I got saved", but are they converted? Salvation comes with conversion.

Many will come saying Lord Lord, and he will say I never knew you...(they thought they were saved)

On the other hand the Apostle John indicated that He wrote his gospel and epistles so that we might "Know" that we have eternal life

Eric. Would you say that there could be those, who having read John's writings, believe that they have eternal life, but in fact they don't?

[Mutzrein]

Here is something I just ran across while studying on the Holy Spirit this morning -

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

We know that only the saved have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them as He is our seal until the day of redemption and see that we are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Now look what it says in if any man defile the temple God will destroy him. What is it that defiles man?

Mark 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

Our sins are what defile us, but with repentance and confession we can receive forgiveness.

I would also like to say this, if the blood of Christ automatically forgives our sins present and in the future then why would these things be written? If my sins are automatically forgiven then how can I defile the the temple of God?

By doing what the Galatians did. After starting with the Spirit, they tried to achieve their goal by human effort. It's called self righteouness.

[Mutzrein]

Here is something I just ran across while studying on the Holy Spirit this morning -

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

We know that only the saved have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them as He is our seal until the day of redemption and see that we are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Now look what it says in if any man defile the temple God will destroy him. What is it that defiles man?

Mark 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

Our sins are what defile us, but with repentance and confession we can receive forgiveness.

I would also like to say this, if the blood of Christ automatically forgives our sins present and in the future then why would these things be written? If my sins are automatically forgiven then how can I defile the the temple of God?

By doing what the Galatians did. After starting with the Spirit, they tried to achieve their goal by human effort. It's called self righteouness.

Defiling the temple is not trying to achieve their goal by human effort. Read the scriptures. They indicate that what defiles man is sin.

I have read the scriptures and it tells us, (Romans 14) that everything that does not come from faith is sin. I contend that human effort is not of faith and therefore it is sin. Selfrighteousness is a stench in God's nostrils and it defiles man as nothing else does.

[Mutzrein]

Here is something I just ran across while studying on the Holy Spirit this morning -

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

We know that only the saved have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them as He is our seal until the day of redemption and see that we are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Now look what it says in if any man defile the temple God will destroy him. What is it that defiles man?

Mark 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

Our sins are what defile us, but with repentance and confession we can receive forgiveness.

I would also like to say this, if the blood of Christ automatically forgives our sins present and in the future then why would these things be written? If my sins are automatically forgiven then how can I defile the the temple of God?

By doing what the Galatians did. After starting with the Spirit, they tried to achieve their goal by human effort. It's called self righteouness.

Defiling the temple is not trying to achieve their goal by human effort. Read the scriptures. They indicate that what defiles man is sin.

I have read the scriptures and it tells us, (Romans 14) that everything that does not come from faith is sin. I contend that human effort is not of faith and therefore it is sin. Selfrighteousness is a stench in God's nostrils and it defiles man as nothing else does.

Scriptures also say that transgression of the law is sin, but those scriptures are particular in speaking of what defiles man and Christ gave the list of what the defilement is.

You asked a question: 'If my sins are automatically forgiven then how can I defile the the temple of God?' All I did was to point out something that scripture calls sin. It defiles. What do you see as the difference between the end result of the sins you have listed and the sin I have stated?