To lust is good!

[Kabowd]

Greetings vrspock,

I'm sure this was given you of the Lord

How are you "sure"? So the Lord contradicts Himself now? His Word says that lust is sin, and yet now....He's telling someone (vrspock) that we should "lust" after Him; that we should have sinful desire for the Almighty?

and I thank you for the post, my sharp intake of breath was nothing compared to the blessing of the discovery of the correct use of the word lust, as is proven by the exegeses of the word by Strong.

Using a Strongs is not equal to using proper exegesis. Your misinterpretation of words has been proven repeatedly now in the brief amount of time you've been on these boards, all while you've been clinging to your Strongs. But even in this case, the inherent meaning of the word does not simply mean "desire" or "passion" (as you would like it to mean). It means selfish or sinful desire, it means to covet and connotates that the object of such desire is forbidden.

If you can show us Scripture where this word is used positively or encouraged, or even better, used to describe the type of desire we should have for the Almighty...then you would have something worth reading.

There will always be those who are so blinded by pride that they can

[kittylover0991]

Alright.. I"m pretty much confused now.. what is it that has been "experienced"??? Is the "experience" the dealing with those various sins of being addicted to crack or cigarrettes, or not seemingly being able to escape from lusts like pornagraphy???

Or is the "experience" the "relization" that things have been translated wrong into the newer versions? (which is just not possible by the way)

[RGR]

At the possible expense of being lambasted by AK and Kabowd, I'm going to step out and say that I understand what VR was saying and it encouraged me! I've felt the intense desires and longing that a lust creates; we should have the same attitude towards God, an intense, heartfelt longing to be in His presence no matter what it takes. Good post, VR!

[Floatingaxe]

At the possible expense of being lambasted by Joel and Tess, I'm going to step out and say that I understand what VR was saying and it encouraged me! I've felt the intense desires and longing that a lust creates; we should have the same attitude towards God, an intense, heartfelt longing to be in His presence no matter what it takes. Good post, VR!

You are right, Ronald. We should have such a strong desire that never seems to be satisfied! The complaints come from the use of the word, "lust', which has such a negative connotation, and is really best left unused in this sense. People, if they want to be offended, will be.

[Kabowd]

At the possible expense of being lambasted by AK and Kabowd, I'm going to step out and say that I understand what VR was saying and it encouraged me! I've felt the intense desires and longing that a lust creates; we should have the same attitude towards God, an intense, heartfelt longing to be in His presence no matter what it takes. Good post, VR!

Um, do you think I don't have feelings or what? Where have I "lambasted" anyone? You could've easily agreed with the OP without having to criticize myself or Joel in the same breath, thank you.

And again, no one was mocked or "lambasted", I'd appreciate not being accused of such. AK and I both said we understood where he was coming from, and that we believed his intentions were good. We were only correcting the usage of the word. It's Scripture, guys, we need to handle it and rightly divide it. Geeze.

[RGR]

At the possible expense of being lambasted by Joel and Tess, I'm going to step out and say that I understand what VR was saying and it encouraged me! I've felt the intense desires and longing that a lust creates; we should have the same attitude towards God, an intense, heartfelt longing to be in His presence no matter what it takes. Good post, VR!

Um, do you think I don't have feelings or what? Where have I "lambasted" anyone? You could've easily agreed with the OP without having to criticize myself or Joel in the same breath, thank you.

And again, no one was mocked or "lambasted", I'd appreciate not being accused of such. AK and I both said we understood where he was coming from, and that we believed his intentions were good. We were only correcting the usage of the word. It's Scripture, guys, we need to handle it and rightly divide it. Geeze.

My apologies. It's hard sometimes to grasp the motives behind one's posts sitting behind a computer screen, and I'm afraid that's what has happened here. I will try to be more careful in the future and make sure I'm posting in love.

[Kabowd]

At the possible expense of being lambasted by AK and Kabowd, I'm going to step out and say that I understand what VR was saying and it encouraged me! I've felt the intense desires and longing that a lust creates; we should have the same attitude towards God, an intense, heartfelt longing to be in His presence no matter what it takes. Good post, VR!

Um, do you think I don't have feelings or what? Where have I "lambasted" anyone? You could've easily agreed with the OP without having to criticize myself or Joel in the same breath, thank you.

And again, no one was mocked or "lambasted", I'd appreciate not being accused of such. AK and I both said we understood where he was coming from, and that we believed his intentions were good. We were only correcting the usage of the word. It's Scripture, guys, we need to handle it and rightly divide it. Geeze.

My apologies. It's hard sometimes to grasp the motives behind one's posts sitting behind a computer screen, and I'm afraid that's what has happened here. I will try to be more careful in the future and make sure I'm posting in love.

Apology accepted. When I've gone overboard, I'll admit it, and sometimes it happens. But everyone has done that from time to time. So certain individuals should not be pointed out. I strongly disagree that anyone has been handled harshly in this thread, that's why the implication caught me off guard. This isn't a matter of being nit-picky. It's about rightly dividing the word. Again, no one made any character assessments about vrspock, other than to say we understand what his intentions were. Yet, accusastions and implications about character have been made against those who have disagreed.

There are times when we need to correct one another when we assert something unbiblical. This is what love does. I think sometimes people tend to feel personally attacked, disliked or unloved when someone disagrees with them on something. Real love corrects. I've attempted to do so gently in this topic. Thus I would really appreciate not being attacked or accused for it.

I do appreciate your apology, my feelings are honestly just hurt right now.

[apothanein kerdos]

At the possible expense of being lambasted , I'm going to step out and say that I understand what VR was saying and it encouraged me! I've felt the intense desires and longing that a lust creates; we should have the same attitude towards God, an intense, heartfelt longing to be in His presence no matter what it takes. Good post, VR!

You are right, Ronald. We should have such a strong desire that never seems to be satisfied! The complaints come from the use of the word, "lust', which has such a negative connotation, and is really best left unused in this sense. People, if they want to be offended, will be.

Again, Ronald and Floatingaxe, it is not just a matter of using the wrong word but also presenting the wrong idea. First, there is no reason to be rude and say, "Oh they're just trying to be offended" or "they're just going to lambast me". I would encourage either one of you to really look at what has been said and point out EXACTLY where this has been done.

Lust = a desire for your own good. You desire something so you can benefit from it. This IS NOT how our desire for God is to be, we are to desire God for Who He is and not what He can give us. Even if He had never done a thing for us except create us, He would be worthy of worship. Lust, no matter what part of the definition we use, is the incorrect word and attitude to have toward God.

In light of this, how is it wrong to say, "This message did not come from the Lord"? How am I incorrect to point this truth out. If the message is false, how in the world could it have possibly come from the Lord?

[IslandRose]

Is it my imagination, or do most discussions on this board turn into personalities rather than discussions of the subject at hand lately?

Dear Friends, I cannot feel that God is pleased with what is happening here. We are allowing Satan to get the better of us. How is anyone who reads such a thread going to see Jesus in us?

Yes we are called to love, desire, long for God, but you know what, we are also called on to LOVE OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS!

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

I ask of you one thing. When you post, stop before hitting the submit button. Read the post as if it were written to you. Think, would I want anyone to say that to me in that way? Take the time to consider your brother or sister. Love your bother or sister.

Friends, let's let Jesus be seen in us. You may be the only Jesus that someone sees today. You may be the only word they read today. Will your words point them to the Way , the Truth, the Life?

[LadyRaven]

Is it my imagination, or do most discussions on this board turn into personalities rather than discussions of the subject at hand lately?

Dear Friends, I cannot feel that God is pleased with what is happening here. We are allowing Satan to get the better of us. How is anyone who reads such a thread going to see Jesus in us?

Yes we are called to love, desire, long for God, but you know what, we are also called on to LOVE OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS!

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

I ask of you one thing. When you post, stop before hitting the submit button. Read the post as if it were written to you. Think, would I want anyone to say that to me in that way? Take the time to consider your brother or sister. Love your bother or sister.

Friends, let's let Jesus be seen in us. You may be the only Jesus that someone sees today. You may be the only word they read today. Will your words point them to the Way , the Truth, the Life?

Not directed exactly to you, but adding to this idea of how we approach disagreements.

"holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, that he may be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9).

People who do the Titus thing often get accused of failure to love, when in reality it is an act of love, as long as it doesn't become an attack on a person's character. Exhortation and refutation are not always gentle arts. If you are on the receiving end they very often smart. One should take into account if you are on the recieving end that it is possible the person doing this is doing it in love.

What the OP posted was done with good intentions, however it reflects, as worded and displayed, an erroneous understanding of God and scripture. If God is truly showing the OP something important about how much the OP is to desire and love him, then it is imperative that his misunderstandings of what God is teaching him be corrected before he goes into error.