Mormons and JW's

[Gerioke]

That judgement is best left to God.

Normally I would, but I'd like to witness to these people when they come knocking at my door. If they're already saved, however, then there'd be no reason to. That's why I asked.

Of course they can be saved by the grace of God, if they choose to.

Matthew 22

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

But if they don't then they are going to hell. You seem to have a problem with this passage

Matthew 5

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[jesusaveslives77]

That judgement is best left to God.

What Judgement???

The salvation of other individuals.

Even when they clearly profess a belief that is contrary to the salvation plan in the Bible?

The organizations are doomed, but I still have hope for the individuals. The topic was titled in such a way that it seemed that they were refering to the actual people.

If anyone Reject Jesus Christ and pay for your sin yourself, forever alone, forever without God...

"The great day of the Lord is near. It is near and coming quickly. Listen! The cry on that day will be bitter...I will bring distress on the people and they will walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like filth. Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the Lord's wrath. In the fire of His jealousy the whole world will be consumed, for He will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth...Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what He commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord's anger." Zephaniah 1:14-18 2:3

Edited October 25, 2006 by jesusaveslives77

[jesusaveslives77]

That judgement is best left to God.

Normally I would, but I'd like to witness to these people when they come knocking at my door. If they're already saved, however, then there'd be no reason to. That's why I asked.

Of course they can be saved by the grace of God, if they choose to.

Matthew 22

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

But if they don't then they are going to hell. You seem to have a problem with this passage

Matthew 5

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6 God the Son came as a sinless man. Philipians 2:5-8 He gave up His human life to save ours. He said that His death was the only acceptable payment for sin. He is our ONLY way to God. He died to give our spirit eternal life. Without Him, we are spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:1-2

[Gerioke]

That judgement is best left to God.

Normally I would, but I'd like to witness to these people when they come knocking at my door. If they're already saved, however, then there'd be no reason to. That's why I asked.

Of course they can be saved by the grace of God, if they choose to.

Matthew 22

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

But if they don't then they are going to hell. You seem to have a problem with this passage

Matthew 5

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6 God the Son came as a sinless man. Philipians 2:5-8 He gave up His human life to save ours. He said that His death was the only acceptable payment for sin. He is our ONLY way to God. He died to give our spirit eternal life. Without Him, we are spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:1-2

Are you expecting an argument against this? Jesus has saved prostitutes, thieves and other undesirables, yet you argue that these same people are hellbound.

[jesusaveslives77]

That judgement is best left to God.

Normally I would, but I'd like to witness to these people when they come knocking at my door. If they're already saved, however, then there'd be no reason to. That's why I asked.

Of course they can be saved by the grace of God, if they choose to.

Matthew 22

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

But if they don't then they are going to hell. You seem to have a problem with this passage

Matthew 5

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6 God the Son came as a sinless man. Philipians 2:5-8 He gave up His human life to save ours. He said that His death was the only acceptable payment for sin. He is our ONLY way to God. He died to give our spirit eternal life. Without Him, we are spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:1-2

Are you expecting an argument against this? Jesus has saved prostitutes, thieves and other undesirables, yet you argue that these same people are hellbound.

There is nothing to argue about. If you would read with your spiritual mind, you will understand the scriptures. JESUS CAN AND WILL SAVE ANYBODY WHO REPENTS AND ACCEPTS JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR. IF THEY JUST ACKNOWLEDGE GOD BUT THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, THEN THAT IS NOT THE WAY.

He declared: "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." John 3:3 Are you truly "born again"? John 3:3 Does the Spirit of Christ now dwell within you? John 14:20 & Romans 8:9 Have you been adopted into God's family forever through faith in our Redeemer and Lord, Jesus Christ? Galatians 4:5 It is critical you make certain!

[Arthur Durnan]

Simply ask any Jehovah's False Witness if they believe Jesus Christ is a TRUE God or a FALSE God. Insist on an answer....because you'll "get them" on this query either way....

If they say Jesus is a TRUE God, then remind them that they have TWO true Gods, Jehovah & Jesus, which militates against Holy Writ in that there's only ONE True God;

If they say Jesus is a FALSE god, then quickly remind them that (according to their own calculation just stated), they believe that Jehovah God appointed a FALSE god to be Israel's Messiah & the world's soon-coming King of the earth!!

BEWARE THO, THEY WON'T WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!! They're great DODGERS PAR EXCELLENCE!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[mrp1948]

The question I always like to ask the JW's is "how many people are going to Heaven"? the answer has always been 144,000. Than I will them how many JW'S there are the answer here is over 7 million. My last question before they walk off is--When is the Lottery?

[Gerioke]

The organizations are doomed, but I still have hope for the individuals. The topic was titled in such a way that it seemed that they were refering to the actual people.

That judgement is best left to God.

Normally I would, but I'd like to witness to these people when they come knocking at my door. If they're already saved, however, then there'd be no reason to. That's why I asked.

Of course they can be saved by the grace of God, if they choose to.

Matthew 22

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

But if they don't then they are going to hell. You seem to have a problem with this passage

Matthew 5

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6 God the Son came as a sinless man. Philipians 2:5-8 He gave up His human life to save ours. He said that His death was the only acceptable payment for sin. He is our ONLY way to God. He died to give our spirit eternal life. Without Him, we are spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:1-2

Are you expecting an argument against this? Jesus has saved prostitutes, thieves and other undesirables, yet you argue that these same people are hellbound.

There is nothing to argue about. If you would read with your spiritual mind, you will understand the scriptures. JESUS CAN AND WILL SAVE ANYBODY WHO REPENTS AND ACCEPTS JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR. IF THEY JUST ACKNOWLEDGE GOD BUT THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, THEN THAT IS NOT THE WAY.

He declared: "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." John 3:3 Are you truly "born again"? John 3:3 Does the Spirit of Christ now dwell within you? John 14:20 & Romans 8:9 Have you been adopted into God's family forever through faith in our Redeemer and Lord, Jesus Christ? Galatians 4:5 It is critical you make certain!

Apparently you missed the first quote in this post. Nobody is questioning the requirements of salvation, at least I'm not. The OP is about individuals who are afiliated with these organizations. My point is, these individuals are not doomed for hell until they die, rejecting Jesus as God, Redeemer, Messiah and so on. To say that a group of people are going to hell is a curse in my mind. Salvation is for everyone who accepts the gospel. Many of these individuals could indeed accept the Gospel in their lifetime and many will if we continue to bless them and pray for them.

[ayin jade]

We are called to reject false teachings. We are called to witness to them as well. In that witnessing, we will call their teachings false and to let them know that they are hell-bound if they do not repent and turn to Jesus. Love them, pray for them yes. Dont just say "have a nice day" and let them continue in blissful ignorance of their false beliefs.

[jesusaveslives77]

We are called to reject false teachings. We are called to witness to them as well. In that witnessing, we will call their teachings false and to let them know that they are hell-bound if they do not repent and turn to Jesus. Love them, pray for them yes. Dont just say "have a nice day" and let them continue in blissful ignorance of their false beliefs.

AMEN Ayin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited October 25, 2006 by jesusaveslives77