Evangelical leader resigns over sex scandal

[Kansasdad]

The fact in this case is that Rev. Haggard is NOT a Charismatic. His church would better be described as one of those mushy 'seeker sensitive' places!

You are correct that a disproportionate number of these cases involve Charismatic churches. The reason for that is that they are ALSO "independent" churches; unaffiliated with a denominational structure. In short, they are a 'one man show' and the Pastor has virtually unlimited power and authority to do WHATEVER HE WANTS: He owns the building, he owns the corporation, and there is no denominational headship to put him in check in any way.

If you want to check the figures out thoroughly you will probably find that 'independent churches' of any theological stripe, have a disproportional number of this sort of problem............

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It is fine that the pastor owns the building and creates a corporation out of it. You obviously don't understand the negative implications of being a traditional 501(3)

[Smalcald]

I'm getting a kick out of this. Not so long ago this same line of thinking was being stated about the Catholic Church, Look at all the scandals, see how this proves that the Catholic Church is corrupt. Now when this was going on how many Pentecostals stood up for the Catholic Church? Now "they" are going after the Pentecostals. I wonder if anyone will stand up for the Pentecostals, and tell them they are being ridiculous. Ok OK I will. You are being ridiculous! Now who should we go after next, Hmmmmm how about the Baptist, they are always good targets.

Waite a minute, aren't we supposed to be the body of Christ.

God Bless us, we need it,

Kansas Dad

I hope my sarcasm was dripping off of the page. all but the last sentence!

How can you get a kick out of something tragic like this? Do you realize how many lives with be ripped apart by this scandal? The man has 5 kids for goodness sakes. We aren't supposed to rejoice when our "enemies" (as they are apparently perceived) get their "due". The appropriate response is to ache over the consequences of sin...especially for those who are completely innocent, and to pray that those who are guilty will repent and be restored to God.

If there is anything more repulsive than someone claiming the name of Christ while subsequently destroying His name by their lifestyle, it's someone claiming the name of Christ who relishes in the consequences of others. We would all do well to remember that our own sins are just as vile as the sin this man is accused of. If anyone is getting a "kick" it should be in the pants for responding in such a flippant, careless way to an event that will likely devastate many many lives.

I agree. But when we look at our Catholic brothers and sisters we should have that same attitude about the rotten eggs which have infected some of their leadership, just as the rotten eggs which have infected some of the Evengelical leadership. It is the same thing, and it is comparable.

[mrs]

HOLD IT!

Will you all PLEASE stop using this event to hurt each other.Goodness sake, the man gave into temptation one day to buy some meth and now the evil plot of one person is threatening to destroy his church, his family, and damage Christendom.

Look at the sadness and sorrow in his face in that one video interview with the lady...he's finding out the hard way that 'be sure your sin will find you out'.

Lets all act like Christians and LOVE each other ok?

Gal 6:1 Brothers, if a man is overtaken in a fault, you the spiritual ones restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering yourself, lest you also be tempted.

I don't see anything in there about having a group discussion over denomination scandals or putting each other down.Instead it commands love, compassion, and humility.

[billie]

Thank you, Smiles.

[Fiosh]

This is a sincere question---not sarcasm.

Why do people take the chance of losing family, career, reputation, self-respect...even salvation....for sex????

I honestly don't get it.

It's crazy.

F

[billie]

This is a sincere question---not sarcasm.

Why do people take the chance of losing family, career, reputation, self-respect...even salvation....for sex????

I honestly don't get it.

It's crazy.

F

They aren't thinking rationally when they're doing it. They don't believe they'll get caught. Sin is blinding.

[mrs]

This is a sincere question---not sarcasm.

Why do people take the chance of losing family, career, reputation, self-respect...even salvation....for sex????

I honestly don't get it.

It's crazy.

F

He says he didnt sleep with him, but bought drugs.I believe him...you should hear the interview.

[Fiosh]

This is a sincere question---not sarcasm.

Why do people take the chance of losing family, career, reputation, self-respect...even salvation....for sex????

I honestly don't get it.

It's crazy.

F

They aren't thinking rationally when they're doing it. They don't believe they'll get caught. Sin is blinding.

You're probably right, billie, 'cause it sure ain't rational. When I think of priests molesting children, and homosexual bishops leading churches and pastors caught in adulterous and homosexual liasons.....it sickens me! And just as bad, the sanctity of marriage is crumbling, and many Christians don't seem to care.

I sure hope we are pleasantly surprised on Tuesday. This is a pivotal time in our culture.

Peace,

F

[Fiosh]

This is a sincere question---not sarcasm.

Why do people take the chance of losing family, career, reputation, self-respect...even salvation....for sex????

I honestly don't get it.

It's crazy.

F

He says he didnt sleep with him, but bought drugs.I believe him...you should hear the interview.

I understand that; I did see him on the news this evening. I'm just speaking in general.

[MAYBEBREE]

As someone who has lived around addicts and who literally watched people buy drugs on a daily basis and sell sex a few years ago, I must tell you that people don't buy meth out of curiousity.

They may buy marijuana if they are curious but dealers will give you meth once or twice to get you hooked to the drug. If this dude was buying, chances are he was not a first time customer.

I do not doubt that this guy who is making these allegations is a liar. I seriously doubt that this preacher visited him once a month for 3 years using meth each time and having sex only then. Addicts cannot control themselves that well.

Meth and other drugs will make a straught man do strange things.

I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

There is more to this story than either side is letting on and we need to all be on our knees right now and pray for this man, his accuser, and the pastor's wife and kids and his church.

I am of the belief that the accuser has embellished his story though and that the pastor is not telling all that really happened. (He is probably ashamed though.)