Forgiveness

[Guest nicholus]

I have seen people argue once saved always saved (no this is not to insult the doctrine.) with "God forgives sins past, present and future sins at the smae time. If this is true what is the point in repentance? And also Does that mean I can do what ever you want to do because you are already forgive.

Just to let whoever read this post know I am a follower of God and do not agree with this doctrine I was just curious on peoples take on it.

[dgolvach]

I have seen people argue once saved always saved (no this is not to insult the doctrine.) with "God forgives sins past, present and future sins at the smae time. If this is true what is the point in repentance? And also Does that mean I can do what ever you want to do because you are already forgive.

Just to let whoever read this post know I am a follower of God and do not agree with this doctrine I was just curious on peoples take on it.

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful."

Just another thought. Perhaps if we believed our salvation is secure, we wouldn't depend on ourselves to try to please God.

Dan

[Guest]

As a doctrine, I have to believe that once saved always saved wins. At the same time, being saved is not the same as saying the sinners prayer, or some ritual like that. One should never presume on the grace of God, as we do not know the heart, only God does. Therefore, we work out our salvation with fear and trembling. (Phillipians 2:12)

The idea that once saved allways saved is somehow a license to sin, would never occur to one who is after the things of God, to view it that way in ones own life, I believe, is a serious reason to doubt ones salvation.

Rom 6 1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace might increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, that our body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin, once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body that you should obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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[larryt]

I have seen people argue once saved always saved (no this is not to insult the doctrine.) with "God forgives sins past, present and future sins at the smae time. If this is true what is the point in repentance? And also Does that mean I can do what ever you want to do because you are already forgive.

Just to let whoever read this post know I am a follower of God and do not agree with this doctrine I was just curious on peoples take on it.

Repentance is not the only thing bearing on forgiveness of sins. Judas "repented" so did King Saul. Are you IN Christ? If you are in Him then the Father sees you as righteous. Your sins have been paid. Repentance is not for God but for us in a way. Repentance is consciously deciding to turn from those things that are offensive to God. In Christ we already are forgiven. In the earth we need to deal with the reality of the flesh.

Saying the "sinners prayer" won't get you into heaven. Only union with Jesus Christ will get you there.

LT

[Akabu]

I do believe in OSAS. The point in seeking his forgiveness is to show that WE know we have wronged Him. In the knowlege of wrongdoing we also seek to make amends with our Lord. Yes, God has forgiven our sins, all sins, past present and future, but we must also confess these sins and also strive to not sin again.

If it was as simple of "Oh, heh, sorry" and then we go back and commit the same sin again we are not only slapping God in the face but we are showing that we are not truely repentant of those sins.

As we are in the body of Christ we should want to do what we are told and what is righteous, but as we are human and born of and with a sinful nature we will fail from time to time. I'm not perfect, just forgiven. Praise God this is so, but as I learned when I was a kid, owning up to a mistake is the first step in growing up. It is the same when "growing up" in the body of Christ. When we first come to Christ we are as babes. We are nurtured by our parents (preachers, teachers, parents, christian friends), and we grow to adulthood within Christ.

[darski]

I agree with what has been said so far. I am OSAS but because I am in Christ, I want to repent and return to communion. If I assume easy Grace then maybe I am not in Christ to begin with.

If I truly understand the physical and spiritual price that was paid for me, I will not take sin lightly.

[Guest nicholus]

But even still so what if you do sin and you know you have been saved, (And no man can say otherwise because only God can judge the heart) but never repent. Does that mean you are still going to heaven.

Like have said I do not believe in once saved always saved because we still have free will.

[Openly Curious]

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[Ovedya]

Asking for forgiveness implies that: 1) There is something to ask forgiveness for, 2) There is something which you, as a believer, have done to offend God, and so you are in need of forgiveness, 3) You have been brought to a place where you are in need of the Father's forgiveness.

Therefore, it is impossible for a believer to ask forgiveness for a sin that has not yet been committed. Although, eternally, it is true that God has already forgiven that sin through the shed blood of Christ, we, as believers, need to experience God's forgiveness, and the washing of His blood, for our daily salvation.

[larryt]

But even still so what if you do sin and you know you have been saved, (And no man can say otherwise because only God can judge the heart) but never repent. Does that mean you are still going to heaven.

Like have said I do not believe in once saved always saved because we still have free will.

What do you mean "but never repent"? If I am a child of God then when I am stubborn I will be chastised. If I am not chastised then.

Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Do you have any children? Were you been spanked when you were young? God knows how to do it best for His children.

LT