A Question for those who keep Sunday

[Beta]

For those who believe in the sunday-Resurrection.

In the first inst. lets remember there were no eye-witnesses - ONLY SCRIPTURE 1Cor.15 v 4. So those who went to the tomb early sunday morning did not see Jesus rise for he had already risen.Mk.16 v 6. They only DISCOVERED the empty tomb on the sunday from which they ASSUMED Jesus' resurrection. We only have scripture to tell the truth and it can not be broken.

The pharisees doubted Jesus' Messiahship and were constantly trying to trip him up. So they asked him for a sign,Mat.12 v 38 - 40. Jesus gave them the sign of Jonah, stating exactly how long he would be in the grave Jonah 1 v 17. If Jesus did not fulfill his words he would in effect not be the Messiah but an imposter and charlatan.

So what does scripture say about Jonah ? He was in the belly of the fish 3 days and 3 nights, a total of 72 hours. Not 36 hours or less as tradition counts from friday evening to sunday morning. Scripture is our guide to truth, 1Cor.15 v 4. According to scripture God's days begin at sunset, from evening to evening , not midnight. Jesus was crucified during Passover-week with it's own special Holy Days which also are referred to as Feast Days, High Days or Annual Sabbaths. All these Feasts are instituted by God as His own Holy Days and still observed by His people. These High Days or Annual Sabbaths occur 7 times in the year and can fall on any day of the week (but never on a weekly Sabbath) and also each of those Sabbaths has its own preparation-day which is not a friday.

Jesus was crucified and buried a little before sunset on ' the preparation of the Passover ' which was not the weekly friday or saturday but a High Day or Annual Sabbath Jh.19 v 14 , 31. The weekly friday and saturday Sabbath were still to follow.

By doing away with God's own scriptural Feasts (incl.the Sabbath) Lev.23. and calling them jewish Christians have lost the significance and meaning of them and consequently their TRUE SAVIOUR.

With Jesus crucified and buried on the Wednesday of that week just before sunset he rose just before sunset on the end of the weekly Sabbath , exactly 72 hours or 3 days and 3 nights later - according to his word and scripture. When the women went to the tomb sunday morning while still dark Jesus had already risen as the Angel told them Mk16 v 5,6.

Now , I know what some (most) will say - none of this matters as long as we love Jesus.

Only christianity does not know the real Jesus but a mere shadow and impersonation of him. We are to worship God in Truth, not in error.

[Live4Eternity]

Christ is not the Sabbath.

Well...from what I understand from scripture, and from what Jesus proved Himself to be (in all, through all, sustaining all... God), It seems clear to me that the rest we're supposed to have isn't in a "Day", but in Him.

[nanasimmons]

For those who believe in the sunday-Resurrection.

In the first inst. lets remember there were no eye-witnesses - ONLY SCRIPTURE 1Cor.15 v 4. So those who went to the tomb early sunday morning did not see Jesus rise for he had already risen.Mk.16 v 6. They only DISCOVERED the empty tomb on the sunday from which they ASSUMED Jesus' resurrection. We only have scripture to tell the truth and it can not be broken.

The pharisees doubted Jesus' Messiahship and were constantly trying to trip him up. So they asked him for a sign,Mat.12 v 38 - 40. Jesus gave them the sign of Jonah, stating exactly how long he would be in the grave Jonah 1 v 17. If Jesus did not fulfill his words he would in effect not be the Messiah but an imposter and charlatan.

So what does scripture say about Jonah ? He was in the belly of the fish 3 days and 3 nights, a total of 72 hours. Not 36 hours or less as tradition counts from friday evening to sunday morning. Scripture is our guide to truth, 1Cor.15 v 4. According to scripture God's days begin at sunset, from evening to evening , not midnight. Jesus was crucified during Passover-week with it's own special Holy Days which also are referred to as Feast Days, High Days or Annual Sabbaths. All these Feasts are instituted by God as His own Holy Days and still observed by His people. These High Days or Annual Sabbaths occur 7 times in the year and can fall on any day of the week (but never on a weekly Sabbath) and also each of those Sabbaths has its own preparation-day which is not a friday.

Jesus was crucified and buried a little before sunset on ' the preparation of the Passover ' which was not the weekly friday or saturday but a High Day or Annual Sabbath Jh.19 v 14 , 31. The weekly friday and saturday Sabbath were still to follow.

By doing away with God's own scriptural Feasts (incl.the Sabbath) Lev.23. and calling them jewish Christians have lost the significance and meaning of them and consequently their TRUE SAVIOUR.

With Jesus crucified and buried on the Wednesday of that week just before sunset he rose just before sunset on the end of the weekly Sabbath , exactly 72 hours or 3 days and 3 nights later - according to his word and scripture. When the women went to the tomb sunday morning while still dark Jesus had already risen as the Angel told them Mk16 v 5,6.

Now , I know what some (most) will say - none of this matters as long as we love Jesus.

Only christianity does not know the real Jesus but a mere shadow and impersonation of him. We are to worship God in Truth, not in error.

Your 72 hr. theory doesn't hold true according to many passages in the Bible. The first day is always counted as day one, if not I know people who have circumcised their babies on the seventh day, instead of the eighth like they thought, they count the first day as one. If the baby was born on Tues. he is circumsiced the following Tues. acording to OT law...

If you would take the time to read through this link, maybe you could get some understanding...

You will have to do a search and type in "friday crucifixion" on this site..

http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-nights.htm

Edited December 5, 2006 by nanasimmons

[Live4Eternity]

my dear brother,

so where do the ten commandments stand?. if you are saying that it is all done away with ("old testament") and pick and choose what is relavate and what is not then CHRIST really went to the cross for nothing. HE came to fullfill "what the prophets of old prophisied", not to do away with any thing but the burnt offerrings e.c.t.. For if it is all done away with then why are we all still here then? and what is the government, that GOD is going to bring back on HIS return? (REVERLATIONS).

MAY GODSPEED

I don't think you understood me correctly. I'm not saying that we don't adhere to the commandments. All commandments are summed up in this. 1, love God with all your heart, soul, mind, body and strength and 2) love your neighbor as yourself. I didn't say that the O.T. is obsolete, just fulfilled.

Remember, Jesus said "not one stroke of the pen" will be in vein.

God bless

[Live4Eternity]

Also, see this link

http://www.equip.org/free/DS421.htm

[nanasimmons]

Christ is not the Sabbath.

Well...from what I understand from scripture, and from what Jesus proved Himself to be (in all, through all, sustaining all... God), It seems clear to me that the rest we're supposed to have isn't in a "Day", but in Him.

my dear brother,

so where do the ten commandments stand?. if you are saying that it is all done away with ("old testament") and pick and choose what is relavate and what is not then CHRIST really went to the cross for nothing. HE came to fullfill "what the prophets of old prophisied", not to do away with any thing but the burnt offerrings e.c.t.. For if it is all done away with then why are we all still here then? and what is the government, that GOD is going to bring back on HIS return? (REVERLATIONS).

MAY GODSPEED

The Ten Commandments are right where they have always been, convicting NOT saving lost sinners, and they either bring people to faith in Christ/High Priest/Mediator/Passover Lamb ect.. Alone, that He has paid their debt( He paid it ALL), or it will judge them in the last day, when the Christless people will stand before the Great White Throne and those who are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

[Floatingaxe]

The Ten Commandments are right where they have always been, convicting NOT saving lost sinners, and they either bring people to faith in Christ/High Priest/Mediator/Passover Lamb ect.. Alone, that He has paid their debt( He paid it ALL), or it will judge them in the last day, when the Christless people will stand before the Great White Throne and those who are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Right-O!

[Live4Eternity]

Christ is not the Sabbath.

Well...from what I understand from scripture, and from what Jesus proved Himself to be (in all, through all, sustaining all... God), It seems clear to me that the rest we're supposed to have isn't in a "Day", but in Him.

This definition of the Sabbath Day is nowhere to found to be supported by scripture.

Neither is the Triune aspect of God, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

Look, I'm not suggesting that everything in the O.T. is obsolete, just fulfilled. That's all. I understand how people have different perspectives of this, and they firmly believe them. I suggest prayer and follow what your convictions lead you to. This is what I have learned from the convictions that God has shown me.

Thanks!

God bless!

[TomPJr]

First of all, why do you keep it? And why are there those who keep it strictly, but others who go to church, then do everything like it was any other day? This is something I've never understood.

For those who believe the Sabbath was changed from the 7th day to the first, why do you believe this? Are there any here who keep Sunday because that's just the way it's always been done in your family and you never really thought about it?

This is the day most of the early church chose to worship because of the Resurrection. It is a tradition and a display of unity. However no particular day is the designated day of rest and worship in the NT. The Sabbath was not officially "changed". The Sabbath, as has been explained in threads you won't address, has been fulfilled in Christ, our Sabbath rest.

sw

What do you mean that the sabbath was fullfilled? If you mean that it was fullfilled on every seventh day when christians observe it then you're right. Jesus even said that he did not come to destroy the law, but to fullfill it.

If what you're saying, or implying, is true then we don't have to mind the other nine commandments. The truth is that he fullfilled them by not breaking them. He showed us the example. People like you, who argue that it is not binding, say what's wrong with Sunday? The answer is Nothing is wrong with Sunday Worship. It's the disregard of the seventh day Sabbath, which God set aside as holy, and commands us to keep that is wrong. That is to say that your way is just as good as Gods. Why did cain kill Able??? Because Able did his sacrifice Gods way, and it was accepted. Cain did a sacrifice too, but it was not what God commanded: It was Cains own idea of what to do, and was not accepted.

What would Jesus do? I think he would do as his Father in Heaven commanded.

We are Judged according to what we do with what we know. If you know better then you should repent and change your ways. That is what repentence is: to stop the behavior that is wrong. In this case it would be to stop disregarding the Fourth Commandment. I do not wish to argue, and I do not condemn you; only sin. As a brother in Christ it is my duty to show the light of Christ, and be the salt of the earth. (Salt can burn if put on a wound).

One last thought....It takes more than belief. Even Satan and his angels belive and tremble!

[nanasimmons]

First of all, why do you keep it? And why are there those who keep it strictly, but others who go to church, then do everything like it was any other day? This is something I've never understood.

For those who believe the Sabbath was changed from the 7th day to the first, why do you believe this? Are there any here who keep Sunday because that's just the way it's always been done in your family and you never really thought about it?

This is the day most of the early church chose to worship because of the Resurrection. It is a tradition and a display of unity. However no particular day is the designated day of rest and worship in the NT. The Sabbath was not officially "changed". The Sabbath, as has been explained in threads you won't address, has been fulfilled in Christ, our Sabbath rest.

sw

What do you mean that the sabbath was fullfilled? If you mean that it was fullfilled on every seventh day when christians observe it then you're right. Jesus even said that he did not come to destroy the law, but to fullfill it.

If what you're saying, or implying, is true then we don't have to mind the other nine commandments. The truth is that he fullfilled them by not breaking them. He showed us the example. People like you, who argue that it is not binding, say what's wrong with Sunday? The answer is Nothing is wrong with Sunday Worship. It's the disregard of the seventh day Sabbath, which God set aside as holy, and commands us to keep that is wrong. That is to say that your way is just as good as Gods. Why did cain kill Able??? Because Able did his sacrifice Gods way, and it was accepted. Cain did a sacrifice too, but it was not what God commanded: It was Cains own idea of what to do, and was not accepted.

What would Jesus do? I think he would do as his Father in Heaven commanded.

We are Judged according to what we do with what we know. If you know better then you should repent and change your ways. That is what repentence is: to stop the behavior that is wrong. In this case it would be to stop disregarding the Fourth Commandment. I do not wish to argue, and I do not condemn you; only sin. As a brother in Christ it is my duty to show the light of Christ, and be the salt of the earth. (Salt can burn if put on a wound).

One last thought....It takes more than belief. Even Satan and his angels belive and tremble!

I don't know if you are a new believer, but if you have a pastor, you would be doing yourself a favor if you dicussed your beliefs with him, and let him explain the rest of the NT with you. You don't have the full meaning of what Christ did for you/us.