What happens at Death? "Soul"

[Guest evechot]

Some persons have said that what makes man different from the animals is that man has a soul but the animals do not. However, Genesis 1:20,30 says that God created "living souls" to live in the waters, and that the animals have "life as a soul". In these verses some Bibles use the words "creatures" and "life" instead of "soul", but their marginal readings agree that the word "soul" is what appears in the original language. Among the Bible references to animals as souls in Numbers 31:28. There it speaks of "one soul out of five hundred, of humankind and of the herd and of the asses and of the flock".

Since animals are souls, when they die their souls [fleshly-bodies] die. As the Bible says; "Every living soul died, yes, the things in the sea". [Rev. 16:3] What about human souls? As we learned from the Bible, God did not create man [with] a soul. But, Man [is] a soul [fleshly-body]. So, as we would expect, when man dies, his soul [fleshly-body] dies. Over and over again the Bible says that his is true. Never does the Bible say the soul is deathless or that it cannot die. "All thos going down tothe dust will bend down and no one will ever preserve his own soul alive", Psalm 22:29 says. "The soul that is sinning.....it itself will die". explains Ezekiel 18:4 and 20. And if you turn to Joshua 10:28,39, you will find seven places where the soul is sopken of as being killed or destroyed.

As we have seen, the "spirit" [life-force, invisible power] is something different from our "soul" [fleshly-body]. The spirit is our life-force. This life-force is in each of the body cells of both humans and animals. Is is sustained, or kept alive, by breathing. What does it mean, then when the Bible says that at death "the dust [soul] returns to the earth.....and the "spirit" itself returns to the God who gave it"? [Ecclesiastes 12:7] The spirit not the soul returns to God in the sense that now our hope for future life rests entirely with God.

[Beta]

evechot,

in full agreement with you on spirit and soul. Great posts.

[Floatingaxe]

evechot,

in full agreement with you on spirit and soul. Great posts.

Yep!

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions--that dies. But our spirits? They live!

[TomPJr]

evechot,

in full agreement with you on spirit and soul. Great posts.

Yep!

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions--that dies. But our spirits? They live!

When God created adam...He formed his flesh from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the "breath of life" and Adam became a "living soul". (we don't have a soul; we are a soul)

the term here for breath of life is the same as spirit. (keep in mind that more than one meaning of spirit was translated as spirit)

the bible uses "breath of life" and "spirit of God" interchangeably, here is one example,

Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Flesh(dust) + Breathe of life(spirit) = living soul or(being)

When we die, our bodies return to dust and our spirit(or life giving force) returns to God who gave it...we then cease to exist until we are resurected. What else would be the point of the resurection?

there is much scripture to support this, but I'll hold off unless somebody wishes to debate this.

[Liz4JC]

Greetings~

Funny in a way because I just asked my Pastor a few weeks ago about this. Pastor Frank told me that when we die, our soul goes into a sleep mode and remains there til the Second Coming of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Liz4JC

[Floatingaxe]

evechot,

in full agreement with you on spirit and soul. Great posts.

Yep!

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions--that dies. But our spirits? They live!

When God created adam...He formed his flesh from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the "breath of life" and Adam became a "living soul". (we don't have a soul; we are a soul)

the term here for breath of life is the same as spirit. (keep in mind that more than one meaning of spirit was translated as spirit)

the bible uses "breath of life" and "spirit of God" interchangeably, here is one example,

Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Flesh(dust) + Breathe of life(spirit) = living soul or(being)

When we die, our bodies return to dust and our spirit(or life giving force) returns to God who gave it...we then cease to exist until we are resurected. What else would be the point of the resurection?

there is much scripture to support this, but I'll hold off unless somebody wishes to debate this.

Here you go again, Tom.

Not going to debate you here, as I believe it is a pointless and fruitless debate when someone doesn't want to learn the truth. We NEVER cease to exist. We are spiritual beings who live in fleshly bodies. Resurrection is for our bodies alone! THAT is what scripture supports when it talks about the resurrection! The point of our resurrection into glorified flesh is so that we can live on the New Earth and reign and rule with Jesus, who also has a resurrected glorified body already!

[TomPJr]

evechot,

in full agreement with you on spirit and soul. Great posts.

Yep!

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions--that dies. But our spirits? They live!

When God created adam...He formed his flesh from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the "breath of life" and Adam became a "living soul". (we don't have a soul; we are a soul)

the term here for breath of life is the same as spirit. (keep in mind that more than one meaning of spirit was translated as spirit)

the bible uses "breath of life" and "spirit of God" interchangeably, here is one example,

Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Flesh(dust) + Breathe of life(spirit) = living soul or(being)

When we die, our bodies return to dust and our spirit(or life giving force) returns to God who gave it...we then cease to exist until we are resurected. What else would be the point of the resurection?

there is much scripture to support this, but I'll hold off unless somebody wishes to debate this.

Here you go again, Tom.

Not going to debate you here, as I believe it is a pointless and fruitless debate when someone doesn't want to learn the truth. We NEVER cease to exist. We are spiritual beings who live in fleshly bodies. Resurrection is for our bodies alone! THAT is what scripture supports when it talks about the resurrection! The point of our resurrection into glorified flesh is so that we can live on the New Earth and reign and rule with Jesus, who also has a resurrected glorified body already!

F.A.

Hey buddy, your statements are quite bold. I like that. The truth is that I do want to know the truth. I have had to change my whole theology in the past, bacause my eyes were opened to see what the scripture says. you don't understand the state of the dead, or the resurections. they are very key issues on the matter. Also, our Souls are not immortal. "the soul that sinneth it shall die"

We are a soul, we don't have one.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

We do not need another thread on this subject. There are a few around.

As for the Ministries position. One only need to look to our Statement of Faith.

This thread is going to be closed along with anymore that pop up.

Peace,

Dave