Sabbath on saturday or sunday?

[Scarletprayers]

Ok sw

Heres the scripture your so upset with

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.

I say it says what it says and in your mind that makes me a cultist. What do you say it says. I hope someone doesnt call this baiting. Its debating.

Nope wont call this one baiting!

[kat8585]

Okay, this just went into the rude and mean side of things now, sw I think this was terribly unnecessary.

I agree. And it is a good way to get this thread closed. If you don't want that to happen, please be careful.

[Vickilynn]

Okay, this just went into the rude and mean side of things now, sw I think this was terribly unnecessary.

I disagree my friend. Read what this character is pushing in the guise of Christianity. He deserves to be hooted off the stage before some weak fish buys into it and loses their soul.

sw

Shalom SW,

WRONG! This is not how the Scriptures say we are to respond to those who are under false doctrine and teach it. You should know better.

[Vickilynn]

Baiting? I pointed to scripture and confessed i believed what was written in that scripture. If you want to call posting my belief in the scriptures baiting, i suppose you can do that. Its a free country. Have a good day Scarletprayer.

Shalom DY,

Don't fret, I agree with you. And believe me, you are better off! Some people on this board can be very, very nasty and vicious just because we see things differently! Some people, even invent things not said in the discussion and accuse you of saying them! And some Christians are very anti-semitic (don't like the Jews) and refuse to acknowledge the worth of the OT!!!!

Can you believe that??

Anyway, thanks to you and JD for the good and gracious discussion about the Sabbath, and for what it's worth, I totally agree that the Sabbath is the 7th day and it's a lovely, beautiful observance and glorifies Jesus! That is why we do it.

The thing is Vickilynn

I do fret about it. If i didnt truly believe what was written in the Word, i couldnt and wouldnt do what i do. Its agonizing to have people call you names and say things like,you belong to a cult. I would simply love all believers to come together of 1 belief. If that were to happen, could you imagine the power we would have, with Jesus as our leader. Unfortunatly the "many" have been blinded. The new testament said this would happen so i guess ill have to live with it. I wish ALL would be saved. But...i guess that aint gonna happen. I have my doubts about myself being saved. The law is quite easy to follow but the testimony of Jesus is not. Look at a pretty woman to long. Have you committed adultry in your heart? Ask David. Well Vickilynn, i guess i rambled on long enough. I hope we both find what we are looking for as its the only thing worth looking for.

As i reread what ive written i wanted to add one thing. There will be a gift given. One we do not deserve. Will this gift be given to them who do not obey "the voice" or them that try to obey "the voice"? The "voice" will return on the "Day of the Lord". PLEASE READ THE SCRIPTURES.

Shalom DY,

Let's talk, shall we?

First of all, the topic of this thread is the Sabbath. We need to get back to that.

However, the other things you said need to be addressed and I ask you to please open a thread in Doctrinal Questions to examine your beliefs from Scripture that show how we are to be saved and know we are saved.

It bothers me that you "have your doubts" about being saved. If you truly know and understand the Scriptures, you would know that there is ONE way to be saved (Jesus) and if you are saved, you would have no doubt.

Please, let us talk about these things you've posted and let us examine Scripture together in love.

In this thread though, let us please return to the discussion of the Sabbath. We really do not want this thread to be closed, right?

Oh, and for clarification, I said "do not fret" about the fact that SW was no longer debating you. Believe me, you are better off, as you have seen in his subsequent mocking posts. Just please do not be hurt by them and simply ignore the nastiness in them, as they do not reflect the nature of Messiah.

Let us share together and open the Scriptures. Please. Please open another thread and share your beliefs and let us all discuss these views. It is vitally important.

Love in Messiah Jesus,

[Yahweh is salvation]

Don't suppose that I came to do away with the Law and the propeths. I did not come to do away with them, but to give them their full meaning. Heaven and earth may disappear. But I promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from the Law. Everything written in it must happen.

If you reject even the least important command in the Law and teach others to do the same, you will be the least important person in the kingdom of heaven. But if you obey and teach others its commands, you will have an important place in the kingdom. You must obey God's commands better than the pharisees and the teachers of the Law obey them. If you don't, I promise you that you will never get into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5.17,18,19,20)

So, when your God tells you to obey the 10 commandments, you don't question it, you just do it.

Saturday or Sunday? I realy think that it doesn't matter which day it is. Unless you realy have to work all seven days, give one day to god. And if you do have to work all seven days, don't worry, God will understand.

I hope this helps, God bless you.

[Vickilynn]

No work, no school, worship praise and prayer. That sounds like the sabbath day to me. Why is it that God commands no work on the seventh day, yet we wait till the 1st day to stop working?

In all reality it doesn't matter if its on saturday, sunday or tuesday since we're no longer under the covenant of the law but under the covenant of Grace. Also christ did not specify what day to worship, as it doesn't matter which day. IN FACT Christ gathered food and worked on the jewish sabbath thus proving the point.

Third, the sabbath was not made for God, the sabbath was made for man. God instituted the original day to give at least one day free from work or worry to worship him and rest and restore from the trials of everyday living.

Last of all, Christ didn't require the sabbath to be followed, in fact, i believe his teachings taught that every day is the sabbath for christians

Jesus did NOT break the Sabbath. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath when He really didn't. For example, the Pharisees had all kinds of rules and traditions that made the Sabbath far more restrictive than God intended. Jesus picked a little food from a field and the Pharisees accused Jesus of "harvesting crops on the Sabbath". Jesus healed people and the Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath when in reality, healing people did not break the Sabbath.

Shalom JD,

That is exactly correct. Jesus NEVER broke G-d's law, but He constantly refuted man's rules. We are to follow that example. We are not to add to the Sabbath what G-d did not. Jesus walked in G-d's Law perfectly, but He thumbed His nose (as it were) to the rules that were added by men and forced on the people. We must do the same.

Some of the Orthodox Jews do this today. Some of them don't flick their light switches on Sabbath, or don't drive cars on Sabbath, or have "Sabbath elevators" that stops on every floor because they believe that turning on a light switch, sparking up their engine, or pressing the elevator button is a form of "lighting fires on the Sabbath" and therefore, "breaking the Sabbath". Back in OT times, it took a great deal of time and energy to light a fire vs a flick of a switch or starting an engine today. Thanks to Jesus, He taught us not to get overboard. We still observe good rules such as not buying and selling on the Sabbath unless it is an emergency. We are to have all our things ready by Friday.

Right about the way men force Sabbath restrictions on the people. However, I do wish to say that the reason they do is so that they will not even come close to breaking the Sabbath because they take it THAT seriously. The rabbis made extra rules so that it would be harder to break G-d's Law and according to rabbinic writings, that came from a motive to protect the Sabbath by making a wall around it by adding more rules.

So, even though we are not to follow the rabbinic rules of G-d's Law, we should understand that they come from devoted hearts desirous of following G-d, not from evil motives.

[nanasimmons]

Ok sw

Heres the scripture your so upset with

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.

I say it says what it says and in your mind that makes me a cultist. What do you say it says. I hope someone doesnt call this baiting. Its debating.

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Rom 4:1 Well then, what can we say about our ancestor Abraham?

Rom 4:2 If he became acceptable to God because of what he did, then he would have something to brag about. But he would never be able to brag about it to God.

Rom 4:3 The Scriptures say, "God accepted Abraham because Abraham had faith in him."

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Rom 4:4 Money paid to workers isn't a gift. It is something they earn by working.

Rom 4:5 But you cannot make God accept you because of something you do. God accepts sinners only because they have faith in him.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 4:9 Are these blessings meant for circumcised people or for those who are not circumcised? Well, the Scriptures say that God accepted Abraham because Abraham had faith in him.

Rom 4:10 But when did this happen? Was it before or after Abraham was circumcised? Of course, it was before.

Rom 4:11 Abraham let himself be circumcised to show that he had been accepted because of his faith even before he was circumcised. This makes Abraham the father of all who are acceptable to God because of their faith, even though they are not circumcised.

Rom 4:12 This also makes Abraham the father of everyone who is circumcised and has faith in God, as Abraham did before he was circumcised.

Rom 4:13 God promised Abraham and his descendants that he would give them the world. This promise wasn't made because Abraham had obeyed a law, but because his faith in God made him acceptable.

Rom 4:14 If Abraham and his descendants were given this promise because they had obeyed a law, then faith would mean nothing, and the promise would be worthless.

Rom 4:15 God becomes angry when his Law is broken. But where there isn't a law, it cannot be broken.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Rom 4:16 Everything depends on having faith in God, so that God's promise is assured by his great kindness. This promise isn't only for Abraham's descendants who have the Law. It is for all who are Abraham's descendants because they have faith, just as he did. Abraham is the ancestor of us all.

Rom 4:17 The Scriptures say that Abraham would become the ancestor of many nations. This promise was made to Abraham because he had faith in God, who raises the dead to life and creates new things.

Rom 4:18 God promised Abraham a lot of descendants. And when it all seemed hopeless, Abraham still had faith in God and became the ancestor of many nations.

Gal 3:11 But that NO man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:12 And the law is NOT of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Gal 3:14 And because of what Jesus Christ has done, the blessing that was promised to Abraham was taken to the Gentiles. This happened so that by faith we would be given the promised Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:15 My friends, I will use an everyday example to explain what I mean. Once someone agrees to something, no one else can change or cancel the agreement.

Gal 3:16 That is how it is with the promises God made to Abraham and his descendant. The promises were not made to many descendants, but only to one, and that one is Christ.

Gal 3:17 What I am saying is that the Law cannot change or cancel God's promise that was made 430 years before the Law was given.

Gal 3:18 If we have to obey the Law in order to receive God's blessings, those blessings don't really come to us because of God's promise. But God was kind to Abraham and made him a promise.

Gal 3:19 What is the use of the Law? It was given later to show that we sin. But it was only supposed to last until the coming of that descendant who was given the promise. In fact, angels gave the Law to Moses, and he gave it to the people.

Gal 3:20 There is only one God, and the Law did not come directly from him.

Gal 3:21 Does the Law disagree with God's promises? No, it doesn't! If any law could give life to us, we could become acceptable to God by obeying that law.

Gal 3:22 But the Scriptures say that sin controls everyone, so that God's promises will be for anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:23 The Law controlled us and kept us under its power until the time came when we would have faith.

Gal 3:24 In fact, the Law was our teacher. It was supposed to teach us until we had faith and were acceptable to God.

Gal 3:25 But once a person has learned to have faith, there is no more need to have the Law as a teacher.

Gal 3:26 All of you are God's children because of your faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 And when you were baptized, it was as though you had put on Christ in the same way you put on new clothes.

Gal 3:28 Faith in Christ Jesus is what makes each of you equal with each other, whether you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or a free person, a man or a woman.

Gal 3:29 So if you belong to Christ, you are now part of Abraham's family, and you will be given what God has promised.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Nana,

How about staying on the topic of Sabbath please??

[kat8585]

Jesus did NOT break the Sabbath. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath when He really didn't. For example, the Pharisees had all kinds of rules and traditions that made the Sabbath far more restrictive than God intended. Jesus picked a little food from a field and the Pharisees accused Jesus of "harvesting crops on the Sabbath". Jesus healed people and the Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath when in reality, healing people did not break the Sabbath.

Some of the Orthodox Jews do this today. Some of them don't flick their light switches on Sabbath, or don't drive cars on Sabbath, or have "Sabbath elevators" that stops on every floor because they believe that turning on a light switch, sparking up their engine, or pressing the elevator button is a form of "lighting fires on the Sabbath" and therefore, "breaking the Sabbath". Back in OT times, it took a great deal of time and energy to light a fire vs a flick of a switch or starting an engine today. Thanks to Jesus, He taught us not to get overboard. We still observe good rules such as not buying and selling on the Sabbath unless it is an emergency. We are to have all our things ready by Friday.

Every day cannot be the Sabbath because you wouldn't be able to work on any day.

I agree. Everything we do is "work", as it exerts effort, and not just switching a light on. Getting dressed, brushing our teeth, writing with a pen, making a sandwich.

If there could be no work at all, then we would have to let people and newborn babies in hospitals go without care on Sabbath. Policemen and firemen couldn't protect us. People couldn't go to emergency rooms, and could die. On and on.

That would be absurd.

[st. Worm]

Ok sw

Heres the scripture your so upset with

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.

I say it says what it says and in your mind that makes me a cultist. What do you say it says. I hope someone doesnt call this baiting. Its debating.

I am not upset with God's Word in the least. In fact I am not upset in the least. But for those who not able to look at your words carefully I will speak out. When you stated that one cannot receive the Holy Spirit until they fulfill the Law of God themselves (and you did say that), I will point out to them, THAT is not Christianity. It does amaze me how someone can use Christian terms and quote the Bible like you do and fool others so easily. But unfortunately it happens every day. Repent and believe.

sw