Sabbath on saturday or sunday?

[Eliyahuw]

Ok, 20 pages later and no one has answered the question.

Why does it matter? saturday, or sunday, monday, tues wed thurs or friday. What does it matter as long as you take a day for Christ? in all reality, were supposed to live for christ, worship him daily, not just on a sabbath!

its not going to make one bit of difference in the end on whether you go to heaven or hell.

[Vickilynn]

Ok, 20 pages later and no one has answered the question.

Shalom,

Au contraire! The question has been answered repeatedly and from Scriptures.

It matters because G-d said it does. He put it in His Word that the 7th day is the Sabbath, a day to be set apart for Him.

And He never rescinded it or changed it to another day. He says a LOT about the Sabbath. That is the simple, Biblical answer.

Why does it matter? saturday, or sunday, monday, tues wed thurs or friday. What does it matter as long as you take a day for Christ? in all reality, were supposed to live for christ, worship him daily, not just on a sabbath!

It matters because G-d said it does. I obey HIM, not man who wants to dismiss G-d's truth from the Scriptures.

Yes we are to live for Messiah and worship Him daily, that is not the point, if you read the posts.

Living daily and worshiping Messiah daily and going to church any day of the week do NOT negate or conflict with the Biblical truth that G-d set down the 7th day as the Sabbath, and it remains as such.

its not going to make one bit of difference in the end on whether you go to heaven or hell.

Ummm, salvation is not the question. You are arguing a point that has not been raised. Which day is the Sabbath is the topic at hand.

[Eliyahuw]

Ummm, salvation is not the question. You are arguing a point that has not been raised. Which day is the Sabbath is the topic at hand.

Ahh but that is the bottom line, the ultimate point. The old covenant is done away with. Were now under a covenant of Grace, and one day this covenant will be done away with and a new one will be made.

What matters and all that matters IS Salvation!

IF you look at Christ, you find that we are to rest in him, not some day of the week, and that is done everyday of the week.

[Vickilynn]

Ummm, salvation is not the question. You are arguing a point that has not been raised. Which day is the Sabbath is the topic at hand.

Ahh but that is the bottom line, the ultimate point. The old covenant is done away with. Were now under a covenant of Grace, and one day this covenant will be done away with and a new one will be made.

What matters and all that matters IS Salvation!

IF you look at Christ, you find that we are to rest in him, not some day of the week, and that is done everyday of the week.

Shalom,

Well, if you think this is pertinent to the topic, I will reply.

Observing or not observing the Sabbath will not affect whether one gets into Heaven or not. That is not the point of this thread and no one (that I know of) has made the statement that it affects salvation. If they have, I may have missed it. But, MY Biblical foundation is that it is a matter of honoring G-d, not salvation.

If you look in the Bible, the 7th day Sabbath still remains. Not as part of the Law, because it PRECEDES the First Covenant. But because G-d said it and He never changed it.

And to everyone who keeps going down the side trail of salvation, law vs grace, covenant - that is NOT the topic of this thread. The DAY of the Sabbath is the topic.

[Guest DYChowmah]

Ahh but that is the bottom line, the ultimate point. The old covenant is done away with. Were now under a covenant of Grace, and one day this covenant will be done away with and a new one will be made.

What matters and all that matters IS Salvation!

IF you look at Christ, you find that we are to rest in him, not some day of the week, and that is done everyday of the week.

Hello Eliyahuw

Could you show me the scripture that says that the old covenant has been done away with?

Also the scripture that says we are to rest in Jesus? Thanks.

[Vickilynn]

Ahh but that is the bottom line, the ultimate point. The old covenant is done away with. Were now under a covenant of Grace, and one day this covenant will be done away with and a new one will be made.

What matters and all that matters IS Salvation!

IF you look at Christ, you find that we are to rest in him, not some day of the week, and that is done everyday of the week.

Hello Eliyahuw

Could you show me the scripture that says that the old covenant has been done away with?

Also the scripture that says we are to rest in Jesus? Thanks.

Shalom DY,

Hebrews 9

11But when Christ appeared as a high priest(U) of the good things that have come,[e] then through(V) the greater and more perfect tent ((W) not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he(X) entered(Y) once for all into the holy places, not by means of(Z) the blood of goats and calves but(AA) by means of his own blood,(AB) thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if(AC) the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with(AD) the ashes of a heifer, sanctify[f] for the purification of the flesh, 14how much more will(AE) the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit(AF) offered himself without blemish to God,(AG) purify our[g] conscience(AH) from dead works(AI) to serve the living God.

15Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

16For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17For(AN) a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated(AO) without blood. 19For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took(AP) the blood of calves and goats,(AQ) with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20saying,(AR) "This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you." 21And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both(AS) the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and(AT) without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

23Thus it was necessary for(AU) the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places(AV) made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God(AW) on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as(AX) the high priest enters(AY) the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is,(AZ) he has appeared(BA) once for all(BB) at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as(BC) it is appointed for man to die once, and(BD) after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once(BE) to bear the sins of(BF) many, will appear(BG) a second time,(BH) not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly(BI) waiting for him.

[Guest yosef]

No work, no school, worship praise and prayer. That sounds like the sabbath day to me. Why is it that God commands no work on the seventh day, yet we wait till the 1st day to stop working?

I am a new member, I have been studying the scriptures very hard on this subject. God set up the sabbath in Genisis chap-2 and from there he says he blessed it and sanctified it. Then in Exodus chap 16 vs 4-5 he states that it is a test whether they will walk in (MY) law or not. So in the beginning God made it for man in Exodus he gave it to Isreal. It is YAHWAH's law not Isreal's law, made for man. In Exodus 20 the fourth commandment is (Remember) the sabbath, to keep it holy. then in verse 11 it refers back to Gen 2 and that he blessed it. In Exodus 31 vs 12-17 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying Speak also to the children of Isreal, saying: Surely (MY) Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. then the death sentence is applied. No where in the bible does it say the death sentence applies to sunday. No where in the bible have I seen where God says I am now changing my commandments. In Malachi chap 3 vs 6 For I am the Lord , I do not change. Jesus says in John 14 vs 15 (If you love me keep my commandments.) Then in chap 15 vs 5 I am the vine , you are the branches. In the new testament Jesus kept the sabbath all his apostles kept the sabbath and Paul the gentile apostle kept the sabbath. The last verse that Got me was in Isaiah chapter 66 verse 22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, so shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says the Lord. So this my conclusion of my studies that my God created the sabbath, He says I will be blessed and sanctified if I keep it, My Lord and King kept it, and my lord is an Isrealite from the tribe of Judah, I am grafted into his vine which makes me what he is. So YAHWAH made the sabbath for man and he does not change, and by his word in the beginning the 7th day sabbath was made, and in the new earth all flesh will keep the Sabbath and worship him. So He also says it will be a sign that I am his from generation to generation. I have been a christian for 22 years and I have broken the 4th commandment my whole life. 10 years now I have been a minister, I have made every excuse why not to keep God's commandment. I am a Pastor of a small church we have now decided to keep the 4th commandment now this was the first week we did. It was very very hard to break man's tradition which I have kept my whole life, I cannot condemn anyone because I am guilty. But this week we have kept all 10 commandments of YAHWAH. As we strive to be more like Jesus and to love him and keep his commandments I hope this helps others like myself

[Guest DYChowmah]

And Hi to you to Vickilynn

Im not sure that was the covenant Eliyahuw was refering to. Hebrews 9 and 10 are talking of the blood covenant which was written in the law of Moses. The shadow of Christ. That covenant arrived at the cross with Jesus. I could be wrong but i think he was refering to the heart covenant when the law will be written in our heart. Im not sure, so i guess ill have to wait on him and see what he says.

[Vickilynn]

No work, no school, worship praise and prayer. That sounds like the sabbath day to me. Why is it that God commands no work on the seventh day, yet we wait till the 1st day to stop working?

I am a new member, I have been studying the scriptures very hard on this subject. God set up the sabbath in Genisis chap-2 and from there he says he blessed it and sanctified it. Then in Exodus chap 16 vs 4-5 he states that it is a test whether they will walk in (MY) law or not. So in the beginning God made it for man in Exodus he gave it to Isreal. It is YAHWAH's law not Isreal's law, made for man. In Exodus 20 the fourth commandment is (Remember) the sabbath, to keep it holy. then in verse 11 it refers back to Gen 2 and that he blessed it. In Exodus 31 vs 12-17 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying Speak also to the children of Isreal, saying: Surely (MY) Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. then the death sentence is applied. No where in the bible does it say the death sentence applies to sunday. No where in the bible have I seen where God says I am now changing my commandments. In Malachi chap 3 vs 6 For I am the Lord , I do not change. Jesus says in John 14 vs 15 (If you love me keep my commandments.) Then in chap 15 vs 5 I am the vine , you are the branches. In the new testament Jesus kept the sabbath all his apostles kept the sabbath and Paul the gentile apostle kept the sabbath. The last verse that Got me was in Isaiah chapter 66 verse 22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, so shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says the Lord. So this my conclusion of my studies that my God created the sabbath, He says I will be blessed and sanctified if I keep it, My Lord and King kept it, and my lord is an Isrealite from the tribe of Judah, I am grafted into his vine which makes me what he is. So YAHWAH made the sabbath for man and he does not change, and by his word in the beginning the 7th day sabbath was made, and in the new earth all flesh will keep the Sabbath and worship him. So He also says it will be a sign that I am his from generation to generation. I have been a christian for 22 years and I have broken the 4th commandment my whole life. 10 years now I have been a minister, I have made every excuse why not to keep God's commandment. I am a Pastor of a small church we have now decided to keep the 4th commandment now this was the first week we did. It was very very hard to break man's tradition which I have kept my whole life, I cannot condemn anyone because I am guilty. But this week we have kept all 10 commandments of YAHWAH. As we strive to be more like Jesus and to love him and keep his commandments I hope this helps others like myself

Shalom Yosef and WELCOME TO WORTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest DYChowmah]

Hey Yosef

You dont happen to live in upstate NY. I need a place for holy convocation