Birth Control

[Blaze]

well I believe strongly that birth control should not be used, if God intends to give you children then you will have children if God puts children in your life then it is for a reason and in my oppinion birth control is ver much the same a abortion. this may seem blunt but I don't mean it against anyone I do feel that if you are certain God wants you to use birth control then by no means should you disobey God, but my oppinion is stated that I think birth control is wrong because it prevents something natural and somewhat taints something holy set aside for a man and his wife. but it is one of those things that you should leave up to the person if they are strong christians and if God does not permit then you can be garaunteed that it will be made known.

Blaze

[peaches]

well I believe strongly that birth control should not be used, if God intends to give you children then you will have children if God puts children in your life then it is for a reason and in my oppinion birth control is ver much the same a abortion. this may seem blunt but I don't mean it against anyone I do feel that if you are certain God wants you to use birth control then by no means should you disobey God, but my oppinion is stated that I think birth control is wrong because it prevents something natural and somewhat taints something holy set aside for a man and his wife. but it is one of those things that you should leave up to the person if they are strong christians and if God does not permit then you can be garaunteed that it will be made known.

Blaze

i understand what u are saying and i understand why u think that way, but do u still feel this way about people living in poverty/AIDS, more commonly in Lesser Developed Countries?

[Iryssa]

well I believe strongly that birth control should not be used, if God intends to give you children then you will have children if God puts children in your life then it is for a reason and in my oppinion birth control is ver much the same a abortion. this may seem blunt but I don't mean it against anyone I do feel that if you are certain God wants you to use birth control then by no means should you disobey God, but my oppinion is stated that I think birth control is wrong because it prevents something natural and somewhat taints something holy set aside for a man and his wife. but it is one of those things that you should leave up to the person if they are strong christians and if God does not permit then you can be garaunteed that it will be made known.

Blaze

i understand what u are saying and i understand why u think that way, but do u still feel this way about people living in poverty/AIDS, more commonly in Lesser Developed Countries?

The Biblical purpose of sex is kids. Poverty has nothing to do with morality.

Is the ONLY Biblcal purpose for sex kids? Gee...I'd better stop getting enjoyment out of it, then.

[peaches]

well I believe strongly that birth control should not be used, if God intends to give you children then you will have children if God puts children in your life then it is for a reason and in my oppinion birth control is ver much the same a abortion. this may seem blunt but I don't mean it against anyone I do feel that if you are certain God wants you to use birth control then by no means should you disobey God, but my oppinion is stated that I think birth control is wrong because it prevents something natural and somewhat taints something holy set aside for a man and his wife. but it is one of those things that you should leave up to the person if they are strong christians and if God does not permit then you can be garaunteed that it will be made known.

Blaze

i understand what u are saying and i understand why u think that way, but do u still feel this way about people living in poverty/AIDS, more commonly in Lesser Developed Countries?

The Biblical purpose of sex is kids. Poverty has nothing to do with morality.

ok then, lets go to the slums and encourage them to keep producing more, else they should stop having sex altogether.

[Iryssa]

well I believe strongly that birth control should not be used, if God intends to give you children then you will have children if God puts children in your life then it is for a reason and in my oppinion birth control is ver much the same a abortion. this may seem blunt but I don't mean it against anyone I do feel that if you are certain God wants you to use birth control then by no means should you disobey God, but my oppinion is stated that I think birth control is wrong because it prevents something natural and somewhat taints something holy set aside for a man and his wife. but it is one of those things that you should leave up to the person if they are strong christians and if God does not permit then you can be garaunteed that it will be made known.

Blaze

i understand what u are saying and i understand why u think that way, but do u still feel this way about people living in poverty/AIDS, more commonly in Lesser Developed Countries?

The Biblical purpose of sex is kids. Poverty has nothing to do with morality.

Is the ONLY Biblcal purpose for sex kids? Gee...I'd better stop getting enjoyment out of it, then.

Did you read what I said in the earlier post? The pleasure has a purpose. The purpose of the pleasue is to drive us to engage in the act, thus we have kids. If sex was not fun, and did not feel good, would you do it? If it was work and not enjoyable, how many kids would be around? God is quite smart enough to have that one figured out.

Work isn't necessarily enjoyable, but we still do it, because it's right.

I think God has blessed us with the pleasure of sex. I don't think that it necessarily follows that He did it because he wanted us to reproduce: if He'd wanted to, he could have simply instilled in us a deep instinctual desire for the continuation of the species...the way He did with many animals.

[forrestkc]

The good Lord gave us conscience and reason for a reason. I think its safe to assume that God wants us to be good stewards of the earth for future generations. At the time of Exodus, most estimates put the total worldwide population at 27 million or so. At the time of Jesus, it was approximately 370 million. Now think about it, average life expectancy back then was probably the upper thirties. Having lots of offspring was essential for the success of the human race.

Fast forward 2000 years. There are now 6.5 Billion people in this world. That is 6.5 billion people competing for the same resources that less than 400 million competed for in the time of Christ. To give you an idea of how fast the population is growing, in 1950 there was 2.5 billion people in the world. In 1990 there was 5.5 billion people. Think about that, it took from the dawn of humanity until 1950 for the worlds population to reach 2.5 billion people, and in the 65 years since, it as more than doubled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#_note-4

We cannot continue down the road of explosive population growth indefinitely. Overpopulation is hands down one of the biggest if not biggest threats to our environment and future quality of life. Today, it is our moral responsibility to take steps to prevent unplanned pregnancies. That could mean contraceptive use, it could mean natural family planning, or it could even mean abstinence. Kids are great. Our 6 year old son is the best thing that ever happened to my wife and I. I cant tell you how much fun he is. We are also in the process of adopting a little girl from China and none of us can wait until we get travel approval and can bring her home. Our generation has some unique challenges today though. For the sake of the world we leave our children and grandchildren, it is our moral responsibility to not have children we did not plan on having and if something is our moral responsibility, then it goes without saying that it is our Christian responsibility as well.

[Iryssa]

Also I want to raise the issue of women with severe postpartum. Postpartum depression is the known cause of several instances where the mother has killed--or attempted to kill--herself and or her child/children. Postpartum also tends to get worse with every pregnancy...which is one reason why my parents felt it was in everyone's best interest that they have no more children after my brother. In such cases, contraceptive measures are very important.

[Natt]

It does not even seem reasonable or practical for a couple to have so many children in this day and age. How does a family with 8 children ever do t hings like go on vacation or just drive to the McDonalds for a burger? You would be forking out like $50 just for a fast food meal if you got the cheapest things on the menu, would have to have a suburban to haul the kids from one point to another, and even then two of them would have to ride in the cargo area in the rear. All the kids would have to sleep 2, 3 or even 4 to a room, unless you have a 10 room house. When you go shopping you'd have to buy like 3 gallons of milk and at least 4 or 5 dozen eggs to even make the trip worth bothering.

So yeah, I'm for birth control. Don't get me wrong, I want children, I have even prayed for them for a long time, which I guess is putting the cart before the horse since I'm not married, but I pray about that too. But anyway, I want children, but not that many goodness. That's like absurd responsibility. I'd have to stop at 3 or 4, MAYBE 5 at the most, and even that seems much.

I know a family who have 10 children. They put 3-4 children in each room. They don't go to McDonalds much; but is that bad? For transport extended family or church members do help sometimes.

I've mixed views on birth control because part of me thinks it is wrong because its taking God out of the picture. On the other hand what if a women puts her life onm the line by being pregnant?

[Natt]

Also, the claim that people should just keep having children even if it would bring them to the brink of poverty is outrageous. What kind of parent would bring yet another child into this world, knowing they can scarcely provide for the ones they already have? That is irresponsible and cruel to both the existing family and the new child, as everyone suffers when there is not enough to go around.

I see this is a matter of trusting God.

[peaches]

Also, the claim that people should just keep having children even if it would bring them to the brink of poverty is outrageous. What kind of parent would bring yet another child into this world, knowing they can scarcely provide for the ones they already have? That is irresponsible and cruel to both the existing family and the new child, as everyone suffers when there is not enough to go around.

excellent scriptures WSB!

also, that was my point in bringing up the poverty/slums thing. i really am curious if u still are a proponent of encouraging zero birth control in those case, hr. would u really go into, say, a refugee camp thats extremely crowded, get into a conversation such as this one, and then tell them birth control is bad?

u know, not to try to make this thread nasty or anything but i am reminded of those people who refuse to do anything when they are ill because God will take care of it.