Biblical basis for no rapture?

[Guest LCPGUY]

Hi again Dad,

OK, I think I see it now. You and I both believe we will be raptured before divine wrath occurs. It's just you put the divine wrath at the end of the tribulation, and I see the whole tribulation as divine wrath, starting out bad and getting worse and worse. So then, we are both pre-wrath, but just don't see eye to eye, yet, on the timing and duration of the wrath. Hmmm... maybe we're closer together on this issue than I thought.

I will read those scriptures you provided and will see what I can find on pre-wrath doctrine on the internet.

In His Love,

John

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Lcpguy,

OK, I think I see it now. You and I both believe we will be raptured before divine wrath occurs. It's just you put the divine wrath at the end of the tribulation, and I see the whole tribulation as divine wrath, starting out bad and getting worse and worse. So then, we are both pre-wrath, but just don't see eye to eye, yet, on the timing and duration of the wrath. Hmmm... maybe we're closer together on this issue than I thought.

I am happy to hear that. But I look forward to the "resurrection". There are going to be very few (a remnant) that will be "caught up". If you compare the bowls and the trumpets to the destruction of Mystery Babylon, there is no similarity. The 3 1/2 years ARE tribulation, while the time of Mystery Babylon is sudden death - 1 hour in fact.

Here is a brief outline I see of those days:

Christians are beginning to see "signs" of the end times. One of these signs is the man of sin, or the false prophet in Revelation. When he is made known, the true believers will be called out of the church. The church "spirit" at that time is of the Laodician church - God is going to "spit them out of His mouth". Why? Because the Beast is giving the false prophet power to do wonderous miracles, but they will be of a carnal nature and only the "true Christians" will recognize them as such. This false prophet will become reknown and will arise in power in the political realm, much like the mullahs do in Islam. Carnal Christianity will follow the false prophet and God is then calling out His Saints. Please note that after Rev. 3 essentially nothing is mentioned again of the "church". Only the "saints" are mentioned. The "church" has gone the way of the Beast. Why? Because without the Mark, there will be no buying or selling. That means no buildings, no cars, no food, no clothing. So in order for the "organized church" to remain in existence, it MUST take the Mark.

The "Beast" will pursue the Christians and from the time the "great tribulation" starts till the end of the 3 1/2 years, are killed - they loved not their lives, even unto death. They overcame the Beast by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of their testimony.

As the 7th trumpet is sounded, the resurrection occurs, followed soon thereafter by the rapture of those who remain alive. We all go to be with the Lord in the Clouds.

THEN comes God's wrath upon Mystery Babylon. World over, God's wrath is going to be poured out, but there must needs be a few from all nations that survive this devastating destruction that occurs in ONE hour. Why? Because we see at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ, once again the Beast is released and he again gathers the "nations" together to go to war against God's Saints, only this time to his and their complete and total destruction in the Lake of Fire.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest zhavoney]

xyz

[Guest LCPGUY]

:t: The biblical basis for no rapture is. The word is not in the bible. and was invented by people whose prophecy failed. so in essence false prophets. why use there words at all. The SPIRIT of GOD through brother Paul allready named it.

That's the most nonsensical, oldest, most false reason for not believing in the Rapture. Please, my brother, study scripture more. You will eventually see the errors of your current belief.

Bro John

[Guest zhavoney]

xyz

[Guest LCPGUY]

I love you to JOHN :il:

The scriptures I know and Beleive. I truly believe in the catching away.

NOW tell me JOHN, would you call CHRIST, baalam ? certainly not. yet the false god baalam,s prophets were slaughtered by elijah. And even though the false prophets of the rapture seem to have gotten away with it. they haven't. :t:

I love you too brother, but you statement is not worthy of reply.

You "seem" to have been deceived.

Bro John, with many :hug:

[senerhu]

The scriptures I know and Beleive. I truly believe in the catching away.

NOW tell me JOHN, would you call CHRIST, baalam ? certainly not. yet the false god baalam,s prophets were slaughtered by elijah. And even though the false prophets of the rapture seem to have gotten away with it. they haven't.

I'm curious what you mean by "false prophets of the rapture seem to have gotten away with it"?

[senerhu]

The biblical basis for no rapture is. The word is not in the bible. and was invented by people whose prophecy failed. so in essence false prophets. why use there words at all. The SPIRIT of GOD through brother Paul allready named it.

You won't find the word 'Trinity' by name in the Bible either, does that mean it doesn't exist? You also won't find the word 'mission' and a number of other terms we use to describe concepts defined in Scripture.

Does that mean these terms don't exist if you believe that since the word 'rapture' is not in the Bible, that it doesn't exist?

Sorry, John is right, pretty weak argument....

[Guest zhavoney]

xyz

[Guest LCPGUY]

NOW tell me JOHN, would you call CHRIST, baalam ? certainly not. yet the false god baalam,s prophets were slaughtered by elijah. And even though the false prophets of the rapture seem to have gotten away with it. they haven't.

Of course I wouldn't call Christ Baalam. What does that have to do with the Rapture? And what does Elijah have to do with it?

Please tell me who the False Prophets of the Rapture are, and what their prophesies were that failed.

Thanx,

In His Love,

Bro John